On 2012-01-31 19:49, Li SUN wrote:
Thanks for the explanation! Is the improper dihedral in GROMACS
implemented in an unsigned fashion?

Yes, that means that changing the order of atoms changes the sign and this may give you the opposite chirality.


On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Mark Abraham <mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
<mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>> wrote:

    On 31/01/2012 2:59 PM, Li SUN wrote:
    So please look at the attached figure which is exactly the
    leftmost subfigure of Figure 4.8 from manual. Given one plane
    defined by (j,k,l), the cases where <case1> i is above the plane
    and <case2> below the plane can give the same dihedral angles.

    Only if they are measured in a unsigned fashion.


    But chirality can distinguish the two cases: define chirality = (
    (lk) x (kj) ) . (ji), then chirality is positive for <case1> and
    negative for <case2>. Am I right?

    During the flipping process, the energy/force from the dihedral
    restraint potential will increase because the angle deviates from
    the programmed one. This will act to prevent flipping occurring
    without needing to trouble with computing a signed dihedral angle.
    If you pull too hard, then the restraint has insufficient effect.
    Choose wisely.

    Mark






    On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Mark Abraham
    <mark.abra...@anu.edu.au <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>> wrote:

        On 31/01/2012 11:53 AM, Li SUN wrote:
        Hello,

        I am doing pulling simulations with GROMACS and would like to
        keep the chirality of the protein along the trajectory
        otherwise the protein will take the wrong chirality
        especially at long extensions. I have checked that using the
        improper dihedral or dihedral restraint can restrain the
        dihedral, but dihedral restraint is not equivalent to
        chirality restraint.

        Why not? See 4.2.11 of manual and figure 4.8.

        Mark


        So I am wondering if there is a "chirality restraint"
        somewhere in GROMACS. Otherwise I might have to modify the
        code...

        Thanks in advance!


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        University of California, San Diego




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