On 12/11/12 6:04 AM, James Starlight wrote:
Peter, thanks for explanations!


Could you tell me is it possible to convert CGenFF output for
hetatomic group to the RTP   (not an itp ) gromac's data ?

I want to simulate in Gromacs ( in charmm 27 ff) qm\mm GFP protein
which is consist of HETTATOMIC chromophore covently bonded to the
polypeptide chain of that protein so
  I need topology for that chromophore ( I can make it by swiss param
or my CGenFF) but I need that topology in the rtp file format to
integrate it to the aminoacids.rtp  of the Charmm27  for further
processing of the entirely GFP by means of  pdb2gmx.


You've repeated this request several times now, and the answer is always the same. If you have suitable parameters in some form, they need to be converted to Gromacs format (.rtp) by some means. If you haven't found or written some program that converts the formats, the only solution is to fire up your favorite text editor, open up the Gromacs manual, and get typing. The .rtp format is relatively straightforward, and you will probably be better served if you try to write one and post back with specific questions if you have specific problems getting it to work.

Note that suitable parameters for the GFP chromophore are published (and that paper was linked before in this discussion), so you likely do not need to re-derive any of these parameters using SwissParam or CGenFF. A few years ago, we used the published CHARMM27-compatible parameters in a set of GFP simulations.

-Justin

2012/12/8, Peter C. Lai <p...@uab.edu>:
On 2012-12-08 03:20:54AM -0800, James Starlight wrote:
1- on what assumptions that blocks were generated ?

This appears to be a swissparm-specific question. I don't know what
algorithms it uses to match what are essentially pharmacophores in the new
molecule with the common individual blocks it finds.

2- Why charge in [ atomtypes ]  (zero) differes from  the charges in

Because gromacs ignores charges in [atomtypes], so the easiest thing is to
just assign all zeros to that column.

the topology of the same groups? how I can check correctness of charge
distribution in such itp files ?

Compare to analogous molecules and see if there are published charges.
You can also use the building blocks and manually assign charges and see
what
you end up with as well. To be totally rigorous, parameterize the structure

using a quantum chemistry package and compare the ab initio charge
distributions to the ones assigned by SwissParm (or by hand).

3- What is sigma     and        epsilon in the [ atomtypes ] ? :)

LJ interactions in sigma-epsilon form. See gromacs manual section 4.1.1

4- Have anybody else used Swiss param for modeling protein-ligands
systems? Might it be used with the charmm36 set ?


CHARMM has its own generalized forcefield (CGenFF) for ligands and other
molecules, although charmm36 may have cAMP in their nucleotides section...
You can try to also build it using adenine, ribose, and add phosphate.

CGenFF and C36 are interoperable for intermolecular interactions, so if
using CGenFF to paramterize cAMP you would use ParamChem to assign charges
and then convert and add the CGenFF forcefield parameters (from the gromacs
contributions website) to C36. There are mailing list archives that show
you the script to use to do the CGenFF conversion.



James

2012/12/7, Justin Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu>:


On 12/7/12 2:21 PM, James Starlight wrote:
Justin,

with that charmm27 cutoffs (rlist=1.2 rlistlong=1.4 rcoulomb=1.2
rvdw=1.2
rvdw_switch=0.8 and vdwtype=switch) I've obtain 2 notes from grompp

NOTE 1 [file ./mdps/em.mdp]:
    For energy conservation with switch/shift potentials, rlist should
be
0.1
    to 0.3 nm larger than rvdw.

NOTE 2 [file ./mdps/em.mdp]:
    The sum of the two largest charge group radii (0.078024) is larger
than
    rlist (1.200000) - rvdw (1.200000)


As I recall, there is a small bug where grompp ignores rlistlong when
printing
this message.  The simulation will be fine.

-Justin


Should I increase Rlist to the 1.4 ( as well as rcoulomb to the same
value because of PME) ?

2012/12/7, Justin Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu>:


On 12/7/12 1:19 PM, James Starlight wrote:
Justin,

following to your advise I've tried to use charmm 27 ff for
simulation
of my protein-cGMP complex ( ligand was parametrized by Swiss Param
server).

Could you provide me with the cut-offs for vdw as well as
electrostatics suitable for simulation in charmm27 and 36 force
fields?


http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2012-September/074717.html

Does anybody know another servers for parametrization of the ligands
for charmm simulation in gromacs?


If Google can't find it, it probably doesn't exist.

-Justin

2012/12/7, Justin Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu>:


On 12/7/12 11:42 AM, James Starlight wrote:
Justin,

ligand-only simulation in vacuum have been finished with the same
errors
:)

Step 19200, time 38.4 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
rms 0.025443, max 0.140660 (between atoms 1 and 3)
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
     atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
          1      2   52.2    0.1033   0.0985      0.1000
          1      3   90.1    0.1168   0.1141      0.1000

Step 19200, time 38.4 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
rms 0.025376, max 0.140474 (between atoms 1 and 3)
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
     atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
          1      2   52.0    0.1033   0.0988      0.1000
          1      3   90.0    0.1168   0.1140      0.1000
step 19200, will finish Sat Dec  8 04:10:49 2012
Step 19201, time 38.402 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
rms 0.052715, max 0.293316 (between atoms 1 and 3)
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
     atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
          1      2   49.3    0.0988   0.0993      0.1000
          1      3   90.0    0.1140   0.1293      0.1000

Step 19201, time 38.402 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
rms 0.052900, max 0.294281 (between atoms 1 and 3)
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
     atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
          1      2   49.6    0.0988   0.0989      0.1000
          1      3   90.0    0.1140   0.1294      0.1000

Step 19202, time 38.404 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
rms 0.035783, max 0.198482 (between atoms 1 and 3)
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
     atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
          1      2   33.3    0.0989   0.0984      0.1000
          1      3   89.9    0.1294   0.1198      0.1000

-------------------------------------------------------
Program mdrun, VERSION 4.5.4
Source code file: /tmp/gromacs-4.5.4/src/mdlib/constr.c, line: 176

Fatal error:
Too many LINCS warnings (1000)


ITs intresting that the same files (like step-1c_n11.pdb) have
been
produced already during CG minimisation phase but the system have
not
been crashed. So I suppoe that the problem is in geometry of the

If you get errors in the minimization, that should indicate that
either
the

topology or configuration is flawed.

mollecule. The direct comparison of the bonds and angles with the
rtp
(DGUA) is non trivial again because of differs in the file formats
representation :)


Most troubleshooting is not easy.  You can also create a topology
for
DGUA
from
just about any DNA structure and compare its .top against your cGMP
topology.

-Justin

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