We can develop a position of strenght if we have our reference runtime deployed in msot distros and a decently populated app store, at that point, if we think our platform is mature enough for a given app, we can raise the requirements for apps with a period of time for migration.
2015-01-30 13:23 GMT+00:00 Alexander Larsson <[email protected]>: > On fre, 2015-01-30 at 12:09 +0000, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > > > 2015-01-30 11:28 GMT+00:00 Allan Day <[email protected]>: > > > > > Therefore, it might be premature to introduce bundling before > > sandboxing has matured, and there might be value in linking > > xdg-app > > and sandboxing, so that xdg-app is introduced with mandatory > > sandboxing. At the very least, careful thought needs to be > > given to > > the implications of xdg-app for sandboxing, before the former > > is > > released into the wild. > > > > > > > > I would say that the logic should be exactly the opposite, I don't > > think we can realistically provide all the hooks that most apps need > > all at once and delaying widespread adoption of bundles because of > > that seems like a net lose. We want people using the bundling > > mechanism ASAP so that we can start getting them into the toolchain, > > then we can learn what kind of tooling is missing to get them to > > "upgrade" into sandboxing. > > I share your view here. I think it will be a long time before a > substantial amount of applications will be converted to be sandboxable > (see e.g. the OSX sandboxing failure, where many apps are unable to use > it). And if apps would need *both* conversion to a new packaging format > *and* massive rewrites to be able to use the advantages that xdg-app > gives them I'm pretty sure that most app authors will ignore it. > > That said, I agree with the worry that allan has. Sandboxing is going to > require app changes, and its going to be painful, for little direct gain > *for the authors*. The main gain is for the users. Apple manages this by > dangling the "app store" apple in front of the developers. We also has > this option, but we don't have the same strength (millions of paying > customers) that Apple has. > > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > [email protected] [email protected] > He's an all-American drug-addicted Green Beret on the run. She's a > green-fingered motormouth doctor looking for love in all the wrong > places. They fight crime! > > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz
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