GTK themes are unaffected and Mutter which replaces Metacity to draw the window decorations is 100% compatible with old Metacity themes.
The devs are talking about using CSS to theme the shell itself to make it more accessible. 2009/12/18 Danté Ashton <[email protected]>: > To be perfectly honest, I agree with the car analogy. > I suppose my main problem with it is that I do seem to be taking a step back > to take what I need. > > Or, to use another anology. It's like keeping my drink outside the room I'm > in, in Gnome's history, I've always had my drink with me, but with Shell, > I'll have to leave it outside and come and get it when I want it. > > A dock-bar like Cairo or AWN would be a way of replacing an app, but what if > I'd want just a normal taskbar? > > Another, minor point I'd like to raise; would such a massive rework of the > enviorment break compatabilty with the community's previous themes? (IE: > Could I go to GNOME Look or GNOME Art, and still expect a theme package to > work correctly?) > > > On 18/12/09 23:32, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Send gnome-shell-list mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of gnome-shell-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. RE: All GNOME Shell Developers. (Mark Curtis) >> 2. Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. (Bob Hazard) >> 3. Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. (Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth) >> 4. Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. (Ryan Peters) >> 5. Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. (Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:47:30 -0500 >> From: Mark Curtis<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: All GNOME Shell Developers. >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" >> >> >> I don't want to speak for Dante, but considering he says "one click" I'm >> guessing he has shortcuts in either the top or bottom panel where no such >> thing exists in GNOME Shell. >> >> Even if you don't want to consider the overlay a click, it is still more >> mouse movement. Up to the left to activate overlay, then back down to click >> on shortcut. >> Shortcuts on the GNOME Panel have the advantage of infinite height or >> width as well, this advantage is lost in the overlay. >> >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:43:39 -0800 >> Subject: Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. >> To: [email protected] >> CC: [email protected] >> >> >> >> 2009/12/18 Mark Curtis<[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Well perhaps it would be best to tackle the individual issues... >> >> I've linked to previous threads on my main issue with GNOME Shell >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-December/msg00052.html >> >> >> >> Dant? Ashton who started this particular discussion has an issue with: >> "...the user, [having] to perform three extra clicks just to do what it >> takes me one to do now?" >> >> ????? ????????? was less descriptive in their issue(s) though. >> >> >> >> >> Precisely why I took him to task. Back on topic: >> >> In the old method, it would take me 3 clicks to launch an application: >> Applications->section->App >> >> so that is three clicks. >> >> >> >> In gnome-shell method, we have: >> >> * 1 click for common used apps >> * 2 clicks for any other apps >> >> I don't consider going to the overview mode as a click. But if you did, >> it would still be 2 or 3 clicks which is equivalent to the old method. >> >> >> >> Initially there was categories for the apps, but was changed to a flat >> scheme which reduced the number of key clicks. >> >> sri >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL:<http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20091218/f3cd6a4b/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:52:15 +0000 >> From: Bob Hazard<[email protected]> >> To: ????? ?????????<[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected], Dant? Ashton >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> When I say a few weeks I mean the muscle memory of someone who has >> done it the old way a thousand times a day for 15-20 years. >> >> Any change takes getting used to in this situation whether or not it is >> better. >> >> 2009/12/18 ????? ?????????<[email protected]>: >> >>> >>> Few weeks to get comfortable? Man, are you crazy? >>> It's too long and only proves the gnome-shell idea sucks. >>> >>> 2009/12/19 Bob Hazard<[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> It's actually more useful to someone with only one workspace because >>>> they tend to have even more overlapping windows. >>>> >>>> It only needs one click to switch windows anyway. ?The top left corner >>>> is a big target you can do a very approximate gesture to trigger the >>>> zoom without clicking. >>>> >>>> After a while it becomes second nature and I was surprised that it >>>> feels very old fashioned to go back to a flat desktop. >>>> >>>> Try Docky if you find the transition uncomfortable but it only takes a >>>> few weeks. >>>> >>>> 2009/12/18 Dant? Ashton<[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey all. >>>>> >>>>> I've been watching GNOME Shell for a while, but there is one problem >>>>> that I >>>>> really can't see being resolved. >>>>> >>>>> How useful is this to someone who uses one desktop? Just one? >>>>> Never-mind >>>>> the >>>>> other one, or three, or four... >>>>> >>>>> Why should I, the user, have to perform three extra clicks just to do >>>>> what >>>>> it takes me one to do now? >>>>> >>>>> There has been less video/photo material to consume then I could safely >>>>> make >>>>> a judgement on, and if the 'one desktop' problem has been addressed and >>>>> solved, I apologize for taking up your time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> gnome-shell-list mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnome-shell-list mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ? ?????????, ????? ?????????. >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:56:50 +0000 >> From: Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth<[email protected]> >> To: Sriram Ramkrishna<[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Reducing the number of key clicks isn't a gain if it means you have a much >> bigger list to look through. You can't measure usability purely in number >> of clicks, or having the categorized menu would never have been an >> improvement in the first place. >> >> 2009/12/18 Sriram Ramkrishna<[email protected]> >> >> >>> >>> 2009/12/18 Mark Curtis<[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Well perhaps it would be best to tackle the individual issues... >>>> >>>> >>>> I've linked to previous threads on my main issue with GNOME Shell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-December/msg00052.html >>>> >>>> Dant? Ashton who started this particular discussion has an issue with: >>>> "...the user, [having] to perform three extra clicks just to do what it >>>> takes me one to do now?" >>>> >>>> ????? ????????? was less descriptive in their issue(s) though. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Precisely why I took him to task. Back on topic: >>> >>> In the old method, it would take me 3 clicks to launch an application: >>> Applications->section->App >>> >>> so that is three clicks. >>> >>> In gnome-shell method, we have: >>> >>> * 1 click for common used apps >>> * 2 clicks for any other apps >>> >>> I don't consider going to the overview mode as a click. But if you did, >>> it >>> would still be 2 or 3 clicks which is equivalent to the old method. >>> >>> Initially there was categories for the apps, but was changed to a flat >>> scheme which reduced the number of key clicks. >>> >>> sri >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnome-shell-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL:<http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20091218/617306df/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:22:39 -0600 >> From: Ryan Peters<[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL:<http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20091218/6b5f3900/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:32:20 +0000 >> From: Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth<[email protected]> >> To: Ryan Peters<[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: All GNOME Shell Developers. >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Good point, it /is/ only two clicks to launch an app from the menu, even >> if >> it's sub-categorized. I don't really think it can be denied that >> launching >> apps, just like switching between them, is *currently* slower and more >> complicated in shell than it is with a panel/dock. The question is, how >> can >> that be improved? >> >> 2009/12/18 Ryan Peters<[email protected]> >> >> >>> >>> On 12/18/2009 04:56 PM, Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth wrote: >>> >>> Reducing the number of key clicks isn't a gain if it means you have a >>> much >>> bigger list to look through. You can't measure usability purely in >>> number >>> of clicks, or having the categorized menu would never have been an >>> improvement in the first place. >>> >>> 2009/12/18 Sriram Ramkrishna<[email protected]> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 2009/12/18 Mark Curtis<[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well perhaps it would be best to tackle the individual issues... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've linked to previous threads on my main issue with GNOME Shell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-December/msg00052.html >>>>> >>>>> Dant? Ashton who started this particular discussion has an issue with: >>>>> "...the user, [having] to perform three extra clicks just to do what >>>>> it >>>>> takes me one to do now?" >>>>> >>>>> ????? ????????? was less descriptive in their issue(s) though. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Precisely why I took him to task. Back on topic: >>>> >>>> In the old method, it would take me 3 clicks to launch an application: >>>> Applications->section->App >>>> >>>> so that is three clicks. >>>> >>>> In gnome-shell method, we have: >>>> >>>> * 1 click for common used apps >>>> * 2 clicks for any other apps >>>> >>>> I don't consider going to the overview mode as a click. But if you did, >>>> it would still be 2 or 3 clicks which is equivalent to the old method. >>>> >>>> Initially there was categories for the apps, but was changed to a flat >>>> scheme which reduced the number of key clicks. >>>> >>>> sri >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnome-shell-list mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnome-shell-list mailing >>> [email protected]http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>> >>> That doesn't mean that more clicks means it's more usable, though. In >>> Gnome-Shell, if I want to launch an application that isn't on my recently >>> opened applications list, I have a lot more clicks than before. >>> >>> 1. Open Activities (arguably this can be triggered without a click, >>> though) >>> 2. Click "Browse" on the Applications section. >>> 3. Click on the category I want. >>> 4. Sift through a page or two (why the pages!?) to find the application >>> I'm >>> looking for. >>> >>> This is not intuitive, takes forever (especially considering the >>> *speed*it opens the menus), and is at least twice as confusing as the method >>> present in the current Gnome stable release. >>> >>> Also, I only have two clicks to open an application as I am now. >>> >>> 1. Open the applications menu. >>> 2. Highlight the mouse over a menu and when it pops up (you don't need to >>> click it, just like in Windows), click the app you want to open. >>> >>> There are lots of users that can make use of workspaces, but you >>> shouldn't >>> force them to use them. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnome-shell-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL:<http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20091218/2a6edf3a/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-shell-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list >> >> >> End of gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 14, Issue 28 >> ************************************************ >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
