Al Viro wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:57:59PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > On Jun 16, 2007, Bernd Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > >> On Jun 15, 2007, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> What this means for the FSF goals if Tivo get up one morning and switch > > >>> their system firmware to ROM however is interesting 8) > > >> > > >> I'm not the FSF, and I don't speak for it, but it seems to me that > > >> this would be "mission accomplished". > > > > > This is insane. You start with a lofty ideal involving "freedom", and > > > when you end up with a meaningless technicality (and in technical terms > > > a change for the worse) you consider it a victory? > > > > It accomplishes the mission in that everyone is on the same grounds. > > Same freedom for everyone. If the vendor tries to keep a privilege > > over the software to itself, denying it to its customers, it's failing > > to comply with the spirit of the license. It's really this simple. > > Is this so hard to understand? > > > > The goal is not to push vendors away from GPLed software. If they > > can't permit modification of the software, that's fine, they can still > > accomplish this. > > > > What they can't do is deny it to customers while they retain it to > > themselves. This is unfair, this is wrong, and this disrespects > > users' freedoms. Therefore, the GPL should not permit it. > > How the hell does that improve the situation for users? Alexandre, > please realize that you are preaching to non-believers. I realize > that you have accepted the FSF credo, but if you want that conversation > to go anywhere you have to separate the things you believe in from > the things you can rationally explain. Apologetics of your variety is > not going to cut it. _Can_ you separate the things relying on your > beliefs from the things that can stand on their own? If you can't > do that, please stop wasting everyone's time and bandwidth. It's > a secular maillist; what any of us might happen to believe in is personal > and frankly, none of your damn business. > -
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