On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:00:05PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Alfred M. Szmidt, le jeu. 24 oct. 2019 15:33:51 -0400, a ecrit: > > > The GNU project is not a porject that is suitable for a bottom-up > > > organization -- its mission, and only mission, is to see that the GNU > > > system is and keeps being free software. This has been explained > > > ample of times. > > > > I don't see how bottom-up cannot get this. How different is this from > > Debian in that regard for instance? > > > > Debian renegaded on their goal of being a 100% free software system, > > they now include non-free software. > > What is called "Debian" does not include the non-free archive, that > archive is not enabled by default, the user has to make an explicit > action to enable it. > > > That is the danger, and it is very much real. > > Agreed! > > And that is where the social contract can help. While the Debian one > does explicitly say that it wants to let Debian work also with non-free > software, the GNU one can explicitly say that GNU contains only 100% > purely free software, and does not even mention existence of non-free > software (e.g. no firmware names in the Linux kernel). > > > > > How can we be sure and how can we support both those who do agree > > > > to uphold our values, by assigning roles and delegating > > > > responsibilities, and those who just want to contribute. > > > > > > It has worked for 30 years, > > > > No, I have been hearing about issues for 8 years already, i.e. as much > > time as I have actually been involved in the GNU project. > > > > And I've been involved for 30 years... > > That's irrelevant. > > You can't say that it has worked for 30 years, when I have seen issues > for at least 8 years, which is already too long (and these issues may > have crop up before I have been involved, I can't say, that's what I > meant). > > Samuel > > _______________________________________________ > gnu-misc-discuss mailing list > gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
When you want to do something your way and RMS disagrees, that is not a problem... at least for GNU. Your disagreement and not getting what you want is not a "problem", not for 8 years and not for 30 years.. -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013