* Taylan Kammer <[email protected]> [2021-04-30 22:19]: > And if you do care about social justice, and just think that CoC are a > bad way of supporting it, you should be able to make a case for that > directly, without invoking conspiratorial theories.
The case was already demonstrated numerous times. It is too vague, never written by attorneys, not aligned with the law, a document that serves to accuse without hearing, injustice kind of justice. Code of conduct has purpose to publicly shame. Major problem is that it is vague, left open to interpretations and too many times abused. A decent and kind person will never collide with code of conduct. Decent person will also not insist too much. As otherwise, we always had "Terms of service". Website owner, mailing list owner, IRC boss, whoever in charge was always authorized to expell others for whatsoever reasons. I don't find it bad. This way groups of same interest could communicate in pleasure with each other, whoever they may be. Code of conduct does not apply to volunteers who never have seen or read it. It is in wrong place. When employee comes first day for work, maybe company will tell him here is the code of conduct, please study and behave. There is dependent relation and obligation, as both parties are exchanging clearly defined values, like work/time for salary and there is way how company raises values, and if that value is damaged by bad conduct of employee, company cannot exchange with employee. In online software related or other communities there is almost nothing that company is giving to volunteers. There is software, but same software volunteer can get without volunteering or participating. Then software project managers may not be very tolerant people as it is planet Earth, the true diversity is already there. However, some project managers cannot simply handle their feelings when somebody comes with disagreements or violent disagreements, and instead of solving the problem at hand, which is almost always really the issue, they use Code of Conduct to expell the person, so that they feel better (instead of therapy). And problem at hand never gets solved. So Code of Conduct is many times a hideous attempt to ignore the problem or real issue. Sample analysis: ================ User gnutec is coming for help, his Guix system is broken and he does not know better. I did not verify, it could be his first time on chat, verify for "gnutec" term, it should be clear that his system is broken. The manner of chat or "welcoming" is far from anything we talked here. Of course that "there is no warranty" for software, but then why open up IRC channel and have such a policy to treat newcomers like "bad behavior". All what I can see is that gnutec arrived in good faith and had serious problem. http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-02-06.log#221204 Then at one moment gnutec said: <gnutec>So for the good of the guix system, do what I ask. Please! then it becomes unwelcoming: <dftxbs3e>gnutec, I think your behavior here is really bad and is getting us nowhere! <dftxbs3e>gnutec, nobody here owns you any help and if you are not being nice about it I do not think I am willing to help you in any way and that could be the same for everyone else. <dftxbs3e>gnutec, I think that does not prevent you from being nice with people here. "So for the good of the guix system, do what I ask. Please" - Since when explicitly giving orders to volunteers is an acceptable behavior. <dftxbs3e>Things happen at their own pace, there's so many things to do, and each has its own varying priority. It is the inability of dftxbs3e to grasp that: - person is not writing well English - person has serious problem with broken Guix system, and who has that kind of problem could be upset Or how about Guix's code of conduct where "Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include: * The use of sexualized language" but then again we have 103 occurences of "fuck" and majority of them by one of IRC members who is good friend among them, like nckx: http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/search?query=fuck I don't mind the "fuck" there, but I can imagine there are teenagers and people who behave different, rather decent, not using vulgar language. Now we can see practically that project managers of Guix, WILL tolerate their members when they use sexualized language, some of them are ready to attack in private as well; but will not tolerate those who disagree with their opinions, as if such person would say "fuck", would be kicked out. That is one good practical example with evidences how Code of Conduct is practiced in hypocrisy. Please note: I promote Guix all the time, 24 hours per day, and I have no personal hate against anybody! Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ https://rms-support-letter.github.io/
