A slur is almost the same thing as a tie. Sometimes it has been used to indicate multiple ties :-(. Please never have slurs at stem ends, just as you would never have ties at stem ends. If you think that slurs to stem ends are a good idea, (they aren't) then use phrase marks instead. In a chord the notes are slurred or not slurred individually, but a chord can be part of a phrase. Therefore: ***You have already chosen to make the distinction between phrase marks and slurs by allowing slurred or tied notes on the same stem with notes not tied or slurred.*** You must follow through. Ignoring the situation will be catastrophic. If you decide instead not to allow slurred or tied notes on the same stem with others or each other (It has not always been done) you must somehow draw five *or more* parts on one staff. This involves stems crossing beams. A lot. I didn't think so. In the Carcassi book a slur made by sliding is indicated by a sign combining a straight line and a curved line. This appears to have been standard practice at least since 1825. The total impossibility of continuing it is very well illustrated in the 12th etude of Heitor Villa Lobos (Publ. Schott). The only rational option is to use a single straight line for this kind of slur and :-( forget the curved line. *---------------* If it is heavy and wavy, of course it is a glissando. *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* Obviously, it can't ever go to a stem end. Sometimes a straight line between finger numbers rather than notes, or a tie of dashes between noteheads has been used to indicate retention of fingering, not sound. Usually, a better way is to hyphenate one or both of the finger indications. 1- -1 or 2 -2 instead of 3------------------3 :-( but the *curved* tie of dashes between noteheads is good for beginners. I would think it a very easy feature to add. (I apologize if you have it already.) Dots have been used much less often, presumably because there are so many dots in music already. *- - - - - - - - - -* When both uses of the straight line are applied together, it really looks awful. Take a look at the easy beginning guitar music of Erwin Schwartz Reiflingen. I appreciate the work that you guys are doing, and I realize that I was a bit hard on you in my last. I also know that I am not nearly as hard on you as you are on yourselves when you try to work the unworkable. :-) It occurs to me that a good way to help deal with multiple parts on one staff would be to use SATB terms. 1. one part on a single staff. (solo) 2. two parts on a single staff. (bass and soprano) 3. three parts on a single staff. (bass, mezzo, soprano) The mezzo part stems are shortened and their directions default to the same as solo. 4. 4 parts on a single staff. SATB. Tenor stems down, alto stems up, both shortened. I think it might be less confusing than numbering the parts when configuring defaults or finding it necessary or desirable to change stem directions and length, etc. e.g.: mezzo=tenor gets the center of three parts stems down, mezzo=bass gets them down and long, tenor=mezzo gets the 2nd of four parts to follow the rule of stems, mezzo=solo lengthens the stems of a center part without affecting direction. If notes and chords are entered in parts, crossing parts becomes a simpler issue. All of this is on one staff. I don't see how it could be confused with choral parts. -- Peace, understanding, health and happiness to all beings! U U u ^^ ` 'U u U ''`'` _-__o|oO|o-_|o_o_-_MN[-->mm@_-_--___o|o|oU_|o_o__lilypond dave N Va USA David Raleigh Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]