Derek Atkins schrieb: > > I'm sorry you feel that way. I cannot think of any way of enforcing > this given the current architecture. > > Indeed, I cannot even imagine an architecture that would make it easy > to enforce this requirement. The problem is that you are trying to > enforce some level of balance _ACROSS_ transactions, which doesn't > make any sense.
I think it is possible to enforce this type of balance if the stock account has also a currency like in GnuCash 1.6. But there were good reasons to change this ... I will be able to live with LOTs if the reports will show my realized gain/loss. Herbert. > -derek > > Herbert Thoma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Derek Atkins schrieb: > > > > > > Herbert Thoma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Derek Atkins schrieb: > > > > > > > > > > Herbert Thoma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Unrealized gain/loss is no "real" money. But realized gain is actual > > > > > > income which I have to pay tax for, realized loss reduces my tax > > > > > > payment. So I have to account for realized gain/loss. > > > > > > > > > > Sure, but who claims you need to account for it _BY A SPLIT_? > > > > > > > > Because I want to see the income/expense in an income/expense account, > > > > don't I need a split for this? > > > > > > Why do you want to see the income/expense in an income/expense > > > account? > > > > Because all other types of income/expense show up in income/expense accounts. > > And I want to be able to categorize gain/loss through subaccounts, e.g. > > short term capital gain (there I have to pay tax for) and long term capital > > gain (no tax). Or may be one gain/loss account per stock. > > > > > If the gain/loss can still be displayed elsewhere through > > > other means, is it really that vital that it actually show up in a > > > real income/expense account? > > > > "elsewhere through other means" is a bad thing IMHO, you should do the same > > things using the same methods, as stated before capital gain is an income > > and should be treated like all other income. > > > > Herbert. > > > > > > > I have already explained how to account for it through other > > > > > mechanisms (i.e. LOTS). > > > > > > > > I don't know the internals of the engine very good. If the accounting > > > > of realized gain/loss shows up in income/expense accounts then > > > > erverything is allright. If not then someone has to modify > > > > the profit/loss report (and probably other reports, too). > > > > > > Well, yes... I think the trick would be to create some helper > > > functions to compute the realized gain/loss.. > > > > > > > > > > > Right now (in GnuCash 1.6) I use a ugly workaround: > > > > > > > > In the stock register I "sell" a stock for the price I bought it, > > > > > > > > the actual amount goes to the cash account, the difference to > > > > > > > > capital_gain or capital_loss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This sounds like an ugly kludge; I'm not convinced it's what we want > > > > > > > in the long run. > > > > > > > > > > > > It _is_ a ugly kludge but I know of no better way. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > Yes. See my other mail on this topic about LOTs. > > > > > > > > OK, I will wait until LOTs are fully functional ... ;-) > > > > BTW, when do you expect this to happen? > > > > > > Well, LOTs themselves are in the engine and are functional. What we > > > need is the UI hooks for the user to actually use lots automagically > > > and the helper functions to compute the gain/loss. > > > > > > > Herbert. > > > > > > -derek > > > > > > > > > > Question: how does quicken keep track of it? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know, I never used quicken. > > > > > > > > > > -derek > > > > > > > > > > > Herbert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Herbert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -derek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each transaction is balanced on each > > > > > > > > > individual purchase/sale. The lot balances when you sell all the > > > > > > > > > shares out of the lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The balance of the lot is the sum of the AMOUNTS of the splits in the > > > > > > > > > lot. The gain/loss is the balance of the the VALUES of the splits in > > > > > > > > > the lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -derek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derek Atkins wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Warnicke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>What would be the right way to account for this? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Using LOTs (which are currently in development) to relate >purchases to > > > > > > > > > > >sales. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Ed > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-derek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > gnucash-devel mailing list > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > http://www.gnucash.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > > > > > > > > > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > > > > > > > > > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key available > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > gnucash-devel mailing list > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > http://www.gnucash.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Herbert Thoma > > > > > > > > FhG-IIS A, Studio Department > > > > > > > > Am Weichselgarten 3, 91058 Erlangen, Germany > > > > > > > > Phone: +49-9131-776-323 > > > > > > > > Fax: +49-9131-776-399 > > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > www: http://www.iis.fhg.de/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > > > > > > > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > > > > > > > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key available > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Herbert Thoma > > > > > > FhG-IIS A, Studio Department > > > > > > Am Weichselgarten 3, 91058 Erlangen, Germany > > > > > > Phone: +49-9131-776-323 > > > > > > Fax: +49-9131-776-399 > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > www: http://www.iis.fhg.de/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > > > > > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > > > > > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key available > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Herbert Thoma > > > > FhG-IIS A, Studio Department > > > > Am Weichselgarten 3, 91058 Erlangen, Germany > > > > Phone: +49-9131-776-323 > > > > Fax: +49-9131-776-399 > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > www: http://www.iis.fhg.de/ > > > > > > -- > > > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > > > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > > > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key available > > > > -- > > Herbert Thoma > > FhG-IIS A, Studio Department > > Am Weichselgarten 3, 91058 Erlangen, Germany > > Phone: +49-9131-776-323 > > Fax: +49-9131-776-399 > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www: http://www.iis.fhg.de/ > > -- > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key available > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.gnucash.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel -- Herbert Thoma FhG-IIS A, Studio Department Am Weichselgarten 3, 91058 Erlangen, Germany Phone: +49-9131-776-323 Fax: +49-9131-776-399 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.iis.fhg.de/ _______________________________________________ gnucash-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gnucash.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
