I'm quite confident now that both free "no-frills" author-controlled sites (like the arXiv) and standard "frill-filled" peer-reviewed publishing can coexist, since they serve quite distinct purposes and in some cases audiences. So no argument from me on Tim's # 2 or #3. But I think there's a misunderstanding of some economic and political principles on item #1
Tim Brody wrote: > 1) > > Ewing seems to forget that the money that goes to pay subscriptions charges > _is_ government or college money. Therefore, how can toll-access publishers > cry foul when funding bodies decide it would make more sense to have > free-access rather than toll-access (and to fund those publishers and > organisations that provide free-access)? Even though the ultimate source of the money may be the same (and even that is arguable - don't forget industrial subscriptions, particularly relevant for chemical and bio-medical jorunals, and all the international give-and-take that makes a journal much more than a one-country operation), the decision-making process along the way is quite different in the two cases. I have yet to see any government funding body willing to support peer review directly. What kind of decision would it take to "decide it would make more sense to have free-access rather than toll-access"? A federal mandate like the freedom-of-information-act applied to academia, that so many scientists rose up against a few years ago? Dictating to federally funded institutions that they may no longer purchase subscriptions to journals? The essence of a commercial business is meeting the needs of the customers - if what commercial publishers do is not meeting those needs, then they will either have to change what they do, or be subject to mass defections of one sort or another. And if you look, publishers have been feverishly changing just about everything over the past few years. While publishers may have a temporary monopoly over some research papers, they can have no long-term monopoly over scientific information - there's nothing preventing authors from rewriting their results in a somewhat different form and making the information available in another journal; and publishers have absolutely no say about subsequent publications by others that may repeat much of the information provided in the first publication on a subject. There is a very strong, near uniformly held, political philosophy here in the U.S. that prefers competitive, commercial markets to "government programs". Various government efforts to try to "direct technological innovation" through, for example, the Department of Commerce and the Department of Energy, for example the "partnership for a next-generation vehicle", have come under heavy fire and in truth have probably been less effective than parallel commercial efforts anyway. Scholarly publishing is a multi-billion dollar industry, and the publishers involved are unlikely to hold off their lobbyists if it really looks like that's in their interests. And if they bring the issue to the attention of those in power, they will almost certainly win. The American Chemical Society has already fired an experimental shot here, getting one version of the recent budget to zero out the DOE's PubSCIENCE service. > 2) > > Holding the literature hostage to add-on, "frill" services is crazy. > > Let publishers, universities, societies, google etc. provide "frills" and > charge for them if they wish - the literature is the important thing, and if > it is freely accessible the add-on services will be developed. No argument there. Though it's unrealistic to expect the publishers to also provide the free services - but if authors and institutions want to, they should be allowed and encouraged. > 3) > > Ewing raises the frightening prospect of all the scientific literature being > "owned" by a few, powerful publishers. > > The only way to avoid this is to put the author give-away literature into > the public domain (to be used by commercial and non-commercial bodies > equally). Agreed on two counts (commercial publishers cannot monopolize scientific information; and authors should be allowed and encouraged to make their work available free). But I don't think that's quite what Ewing was saying anyway... Arthur