On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Klaus Graf <klausg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Harnadian nonsense as usual. > > If there is no IR for the author there is no OA in this case, because > depositing on the author's website (the only other possibility allowed > by Elsevier) doesn't fall under OA according the Berlin declaration. So much the worse for the Berlin Declaration (if so)! Download some free OAI-compliant software and make your website OAI-compliant. (Till then, google and google scholar will do.) So just go ahead and self-archive. > If the author deposits the eprint or the IR manager in behalf of the > author is the same. We are not talking about who deposits but what they deposit: The author's final draft or a file from the publisher's proprietary website. > The best way for users is to have publisher's PDF OA, not publisher's > draft nor author's draft. This is the position of most scholars in the > humanities, I believe. (1) The "best way" for users is to have open access to all peer-reviewed research. (2) The best way for authors to provide open access for users is by self-archiving their peer-reviewed, accepted final drafts. (3) The best way for authors' institutions and funders to ensure that authors provide open ccess for users is to mandate self-archiving. (4) This is true for all peer-reviewed research articles, scholarly and scientific, including the humanities. > See also http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/PDFandIR.html SHERPA Romeo does provide an awful lot of superfluous and confusing detail, doesn't it? This peekaboo page prominently lists those Green publishers that happen to endorse the immediate OA self-archiving of their published PDF, plus those non-Green publishers that impose embargoes of various lengths (form 6 months to 5 years), plus the publishers that charge fees for depositing their PDF. Curiously omitted from this spuriously detailed itemized list are all the Green publishers that endorse immediate self-archiving of the author's peer-reviewed final draft: That not only excludes the lion's share of the Green journals (which, by the way, is the right unit of measurement, for authors looking up such information) but also excludes the lion's share of the specified target of all 58 OA self-archiving mandates, all of which pertain to the author's final peer-reviewed draft, and not one of which insists on the publisher's PDF. > Taking the high Elsevier profit into account Elsevier bashing is only fair. OA is about research access, not journal profit. Those who are interested in Elsevier-bashing on the subject of journal pricing should please direct their complaints to a serials pricing list. This Forum is on OA. Stevan Harnad Moderator's Note: I recently posted a notice about AmSci Forum Netiquette in response to the following from this poster: > > "...you seems to use a rabulistic discussion style... Do you think I am an idiot..." > > Fair warning: Further postings in this vein will not be approved. This Forum > is not for flaming. The messages will either be kept courteous and > nonpersonal, or they will not appear. That particular posting was directed at another member of the Forum. Now he writes: > > Harnadian nonsense as usual. Last notice: Any further postings in this vein will be sent back to the poster to remove the personal flamings or they will not appear. Stevan Harnad Moderator,American Scientist Open Access Forum