Dana Roth asked: Â Stevan: would it be helpful to have a 'hall of shame' where titles of journals that do not allow self-archiving are 'outed'??
Dana, (1) I agree completely with Peter Millington (below), that SHERPA/Romeo already implicitly contains the "hall of shame" (consisting of those journals/publishers who do not endorse unembargoed OA self-archiving at all) and that there is hence no reason to generate another one (especially since there are so many journals/publishers in it). The simple, self-explanatory color code for the shame category is non-green. (2) I also agree that there should be a special category for journals/publishers who endorse the unembargoed OA self-archiving of the unrefereed preprint, even though they do not endorse the unembargoed OA self-archiving of the refereed final draft. The simple, self-explanatory color-code for the preprint-only category should be pale-green. (3) I don't think it's very useful, strategically, however, to give a lot of attention one way or the other to publishers that embargo OA. That information should be noted, of course, but those journals/publishers should not get further credit than that, over the publishers who do not endorse OA self-archiving at all. All journals/publishers that embargo OA should be color-coded as non-green. (4) Still less useful (and even downright counterproductive), I think, is a color-coded distinction between journals/publishers that endorse the unembargoed OA self-archiving of the refereed draft and journals/publishers that endorse the unembargoed OA self-archiving of both the refereed draft and the unrefereed preprint. Both these categories should be color-coded as fully green (not as blue and green, respectively, as now). In other words, the only categories that matter are unembargoed OA self-archiving of the refereed final draft (full-green), unembargoed OA self-archiving of the unrefereed preprint only (pale-green), and neither (non-green). The colors blue and yellow are just obscuring the understanding of green OA. There is no blue OA and there is no yellow OA. Stevan Harnad On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Peter Millington <peter.milling...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: Dana Be careful what you ask for. A list of the ~5% of journals that do not allow any form of open access archiving whatsoever would contain getting on for 1,000 titles. I think that a list of such a size would lose its impact. Please note that SHERPA/RoMEO is conservative when assigning colours. An "unclear" permission is treated as a "cannot". Consequently that 5% of journals is a blend of titles where archiving is definitely verboten - "deep white" if you will - and titles where the situation is unclear - "off white". When RoMEO eventually manages to get definitive information from the "off white" publishers, their colours might well change, and that could go either way. Slightly more than half of the 5% are "deep white", which yields a "Hall of shame" of about 500 titles - still quite large. A better approach might be to list the publishers of the "white" journals. This would list about 200 publishers, of which about 130 have "deep white" titles. RoMEO's main concern is to ensure that the policy information in its database is accurate and complete - whether a publisher supports open access or opposes it. A "hall of shame" would probably have no effect on the publishers who are "deep white", but under a different title it might encourage the "off white" publishers to provide us with the clarification we require. Indeed there are many publishers that we have not been able to add to RoMEO due to the unavailability of policy information. However, we are soon going to be moving some of the unclear policies from our suggestions list into RoMEO, flagged as "provisional", in the hope that this may encourage the relevant publishers to answer our requests for information. Peter Millington SHERPA Services Centre for Research Communication University of Nottingham -----Original Message----- From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [mailto:american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Dana Roth Sent: 25 November 2011 04:48 To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: 60% of Journals Allow Immediate Archiving of Peer-Reviewed Articles - but it gets much much better... Stevan: would it be helpful to have a 'hall of shame' where titles of journals that do not allow self-archiving are 'outed'?? Dana L. Roth Millikan Library / Caltech 1-32 1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125 626-395-6423 fax 626-792-7540 dzr...@library.caltech.edu http://library.caltech.edu/collections/chemistry.htm ________________________________________ From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] on behalf of Peter Millington [peter.milling...@nottingham.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 3:59 AM To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: 60% of Journals Allow Immediate Archiving of Peer-Reviewed        Articles - but it gets much much better... *** Apologies for cross posting *** New charts published on the SHERPA/RoMEO Blog show that 87% of journals allow some form of immediate self-archiving of articles, although in only 60% of cases is this a post-peer-reviewed version. http://romeo.jiscinvolve.org/wp/?p=196 This rises impressively once embargo periods have expired and any other restrictions have been complied with, showing that 94% of journals permit peer-reviewed articles to be archived. Furthermore, nearly a quarter of journals allow the publisher's version/PDF to be archived. Only 5% of journals do not permit any form of archiving. The statistics were compiled from a snapshot of the RoMEO Journals database taken on the 15th Nov.2011, when it contained about 19,000 titles. Peter Millington SHERPA Technical Development Officer Centre for Research Communications Greenfield Medical Library, University of Nottingham, Queen's Medical Centre, Nottingham, NG7 2UH, England This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.  Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. 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