It's no more "dangerous for a government to choose WP's founder as an advocate of scholarly OA" than having Al Gore as the advocate of the climate crisis. Is it "peer-review" or toll access that is the inconvenient truth?
Meanwhile, look at these experiments and proposals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Collaborative_ publication https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Journal_%28A_peer-review_journ al_to_allow/encourage_academics_to_write_Wikipedia_articles%29 Leslie -----Original Message----- From: Velterop <velte...@gmail.com> Reply-To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <goal@eprints.org> List-Post: goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:29 +0100 To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <goal@eprints.org> Subject: [GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme >In my view, this is why OA hasn't really taken off yet in a big enough >way. All logic, little persuasion on an emotional level. > >BTW, Expunging mistakes from the peer-reviewed literature (whether they >are willingly forged or not) is a nigh-impossible task. Peer-review works >surprisingly well, in many cases, but it fails completely at times as >well. > >Jan > >On 2 May 2012, at 12:40, brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: > >> Sorry, but I disagree with this. >> >> I understand all the help that celebrities can bring to a cause, but >>the choice of the celebrity should be wise. In this case, there is a >>dangerous risk of mixing up concepts. >> >> Wikipedia is, by definition, the negation of peer reviewing. Or, at >>best, it is considering everyone as a peer to everyone else. >> It works surprisingly well, by the way, in many cases, but it fails >>completely at times as well. Expurging mistakes from WP (whether they >>are willingly forged or not) is a very difficult task and it can take >>forever. And you cannot control everything. >> >> I do not want to engage in a debate on Wikipedia's qualities and >>weaknesses, but tens of thousands of professors around the world spend >>time explaining their students why WP, though comfortable (who has never >>used it?), is a dangerous tool because it makes widely public a lot of >>informations that have not been reviewed by acknowledged specialists. >> >> Considering how people these days conflate Open Access and lack of peer >>reviewing, considering our relentless efforts to fight this confusion, I >>find it dangerous for a government to choose WP's founder as an advocate >>of scholarly OA. >> >> Bernard Rentier >> Chairman, EOS (Enabling Open Scholarship) >> http://www.openscholarship.org/jcms/j_6/accueil >> >> >> >> Le 2 mai 2012 à 12:47, Jan Velterop <velte...@gmail.com> a écrit : >> >>> Strict logic is not what we win the battle for open access with. Some >>>celebrity involvement is to be welcomed. On a visceral level the >>>success of Wikipedia (not a logical outcome at the outset on the basis >>>of the premises) may well influence the perception of open access. >>> >>> Jan Velterop >>> >>> On 2 May 2012, at 11:00, Andrew A. Adams wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> "The [UK] government has drafted in the Wikipedia founder Jimmy >>>>> Wales to help make all taxpayer-funded academic research in Britain >>>>> available online to anyone who wants to read or use it." >>>> >>>> I was hoping that the new government might be less star-struck than >>>>the >>>> previous one. Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose, it would seem. We >>>>really >>>> don't need Jimmy Wales advising on this. The team behind eprints has >>>>been >>>> (with minimal funding) developing the technology needed for many >>>>years and >>>> there are many academics in the UK much better versed in the >>>>intricacies of >>>> UK academic work and life than Mr Wales. Sigh. I foresee another lost >>>>couple >>>> of years wasted on this instead of getting to grips with the known >>>>problem >>>> and the known solution (including providing better funding for >>>>eprints >>>> development to the team that created it and still does the software >>>> engineering for it). >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Professor Andrew A Adams a...@meiji.ac.jp >>>> Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and >>>> Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics >>>> Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> GOAL mailing list >>>> GOAL@eprints.org >>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GOAL mailing list >>> GOAL@eprints.org >>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GOAL mailing list >> GOAL@eprints.org >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > >_______________________________________________ >GOAL mailing list >GOAL@eprints.org >http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
