> [Keith Jeffery] (lack of) reciprocity is a fear among some in UK. I detect > that we have lost the Green is better than Gold argument in UK, not least > because the powerful biomedical community stampeded into Gold (but let us see > what the Finch committee comes up with).
We can see the way the Finch discussions are going. Tim Brody provided some pointers on this list On 2 May 2012, at 13:05, Tim Brody wrote: > Unfortunately they seem to have a focus on "big deal" licensing (!) and > author-pays economics. I haven't heard anything from their institutional > repository sub-group, although there are a lot of layers between me and > them ... hopefully IRs - a solution to access - won't get drowned out by > licensing/author-pays reform - a solution to library budget constraints > - in their report. Stephen Curry has blogged some selected extracts from the committee's minutes http://occamstypewriter.org/scurry/2012/05/05/access-to-the-finch-committee-on-open-access/ For what it's worth, my own tweeted summary of the minutes of the Feb meeting was: > not as bullish on #openaccess as Willetts. Lots on licensing, transition to > APCs; short-termism on #repositories What's clear is how difficult it will be for the committee to produce coherent OA advice if it tries to extend current green OA policy without any clear commitment to funding other approaches, which Finch does not have. To put it another way, take the green case out and see what is left - the Finch minutes will enlighten. OTOH, a Wired interview with Jimmy Wales today suggests a more belligerent approach http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-05/08/jimmy-wales-open-access-scientific-journals (Jimmy Wales has been invited to advise the UK government, but is not on the Finch committee) Moving on to data, RCUK seems to be ahead of Finch in making its proposals to strengthen OA policy. Its section on research data is as follows - summary, there is a presumption of access to data that supports a research publication, but not open access. (8) Acknowledgement of funding sources and access to the underlying research materials Proposed Policy Research papers which result from research that is wholly or partially funded by the Research Councils must include details of the funding that supported the research, and a statement on how the underlying research materials - such as data, samples or models â can be accessed. What would be different? The Research Councilsâ policy already requires funding information to be included within the acknowledgement section of a paper. The need for a statement on how underlying research materials can be accessed is currently in place for some, but not all of the Research Councils. As part of supporting the drive for openness and transparency in the research funded by the Research Councils, we are extending this policy to all Research Councils. The underlying research materials do not necessarily have to be made Open Access, however details of relevant access policies must be included. END RCUK extract Driven partly by RCUK initiatives, a number of JISC projects are assessing institutional support for data management. I won't go into the issues here, but it would seem bizarre to be building repository infrastructure for data if, as Keith suggests, the case for green is lost. While there is caution about linking the two initiatives prematurely, they have to be seen as mutually reinforcing. It's time to deploy every case for IRs that we can. Steve Hitchcock WAIS Group, Building 32 School of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton, SO17 1BJ, UK Email: sh...@ecs.soton.ac.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/stevehit Connotea: http://www.connotea.org/user/stevehit Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 9379 Fax: +44 (0)23 8059 9379 On 7 May 2012, at 17:43, <keith.jeff...@stfc.ac.uk> <keith.jeff...@stfc.ac.uk> wrote: > Stevan - > As always succinct points. Comments inline. > Best > Keith > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Keith G Jeffery Director International Relations STFC > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The contents of this email are sent in confidence for the use of the intended > recipient only. 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GLOBALISM. Is the objective really just UK public access to UK research? > Is the purpose of publishing research not to have it taken up, built upon, > used and applied in further research and applications globally, and > reciprocally, to the benefit of the public that funded the research? (And > aren't UK OA mandates likely to inspire complementary, reciprocal OA mandates > globally?) > > [Keith Jeffery] > [Keith Jeffery] the objective is global access of course but there is > leverage in the 'UK public access to UK publicly funded research' argument. > This is counteracted by the government tax-take from UK-based publishers and > the potential damage to learned societies who rely on publishing for part of > their income. The problem is reciprocity so like gamblers at a card table it > is 'who blinks first'. I believe UK (funders) will go ahead anyway despite > the reciprocity concerns. There is a certain kudos (moral high ground) in > making the research outputs available openly and toll-free. There are also > the well-rehearsed advantages for the author of higher citations as well as > for the community in potentially faster research cycles, higher quality due > to wider scrutiny etc. As a safety-net, if other countries do not > reciprocate, open could be closed. > > 2. RECIPROCITY. Does paying unilaterally for GLDOA for UK research -- making > UK research freely accessible globally, but with the UK still having to pay > subscriptions to access non-UK research -- make sense? Is GRNOA, which does > not entail double payment, not more likely to inspire global reciprocity? > And would global GRNOA not lead to GLDOA thereafter anyway? > > [Keith Jeffery] > [Keith Jeffery] (lack of) reciprocity is a fear among some in UK. I detect > that we have lost the Green is better than Gold argument in UK, not least > because the powerful biomedical community stampeded into Gold (but let us see > what the Finch committee comes up with). However, they can coexist (as > recognised by the RCUK funders) and I suspect the publishers will not convert > wholly to Gold for a very long while and meantime maybe the higher (than > subscription) costs of Gold for highly productive institutions will reduce > submissions to Gold channels and encourage green (or more likely a completely > different publishing model along the lines of liquid publications with > specialised reviewing mechanisms for which sustainable models are not yet in > place). I do not believe Global Green would lead to Global Gold. The > motivations and business models behind each are too dissimilar - as are the > likely end-games. > > 3. BOOKS. What about books resulting from UK publicly funded research? Would > it not be a better idea for the time being to merely recommend rather than > require that books be made OA, rather than risk resistance from authors who > are happy to give away their journal articles but not their books? > > [Keith Jeffery] > [Keith Jeffery] I think we need (generalising somewhat) to distinguish > monographs (with an academic and non-remuneration intention) from textbooks > (with an educational and remuneration intention). For me the former are > candidates for mandated green OA. Currently monographs are excluded from the > RCUK position. > > 4. DATA. What about authors who do not wish to make their research data > freely accessible to all immediately, having gathered it for the purpose of > analyzing and data-mining it themselves? Would it not be a better idea for > the time being to merely recommend rather than require that data be made OA > as soon as possible, rather than risk resistance from authors who are happy > to give away their journal articles but not their data? > > [Keith Jeffery] > [Keith Jeffery] you are right to raise this. Different communities / domains > of research have different practices with embargo periods on data to allow > the project leader / team to have publication precedence. So we have > publishers wanting embargos for articles and communities wanting embargos for > data (and probably also associated software which may raise issues concerning > confidentiality / patenting). The UK funding councils are pushing for the > same conditions on data as on publications but the document is not yet > finalised. One solution would be to make data available openly but to have > agreements that any researcher working on the data other than the original > project team should (a) notify of intent to publish (b) ideally co-publish > with the original team or (c) minimally cite the original team publication > and dataset/software. It is all a matter of research ethics. The present > competitive research world does not encourage such ethics. Again the Finch > committee output will be interesting. The whole area of research data from > publicly-funded research has been caught up with the open 'data.gov' (public > service information, semantic web, linked open data) agenda. While the two > certainly are related, I am not convinced the semantic web / LOD browsing > over data to find the nearest hospital or local government office - or crime > statistics in your neighbourhood or league table ratings of local schools - > is the same as managing terabytes (or more) of research data with specialised > and complex software. > > Best > Keith > > Stevan Harnad > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > -- > Scanned by iCritical. > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
