Serge I did not make the distinction. Heather did. And there is a difference between the sort of research that she was describing (survey and interview-based) vs research that does not involve human ethics permissions and involvement. What words would you use to describe the differences?
I have no idea what I am supposed to infer from your comment about etymology. I thought I was pointing out that many traditional (physical? mathematical? biological?) scientists are not very statistics-literate. There are exceptions, and you have just extended my examples. Good statistical ability is an essential in the human ethics style of research, as are other branches of mathematics. Arthur Sale Computer scientist, electronics engineer, bioinformatician, and OA advocate -----Original Message----- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of BAUIN Serge Sent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013 6:50 PM To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)' Subject: [GOAL] Re: Open access research: some basics for scientists Arthur, I am amazed... Do you mean that social scientists are not scientists? You might recall the etymology of the word "statistics" (e.g. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=statistics ). A (regrettably) large majority of economists are actual mathematicians. Demographers... what do they do all day long? Quantitative sociologists, geographers? Are they all in literature? Serge Bauin Formerly sociologist, initial training in engineering CNRS -----Message d'origine----- De : goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] De la part de Arthur Sale Envoyé : mardi 17 septembre 2013 00:42 À : 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)' Objet : [GOAL] Re: Open access research: some basics for scientists Heather I agree with you and endorse your comments. However, there is a caveat: some questions addressed in open access are indeed scientific, and not social scientific. I think of measuring adoption rates, deposit delays, bibliometrics, etc from analyses of public data on the Internet or services such as ISI and Scopus. To be sure (and this I think you missed and should have mentioned) a reasonably good knowledge of statistics is also necessary (generally). Many agricultural scientists and medical scientists would meet this criterion far better than most social scientists. Many engineers would also have a better grasp of using complex mathematical tools such as chaos theory, fractals, and fourier analysis. It isn't black vs white. Arthur Sale University of Tasmania -----Original Message----- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Heather Morrison Sent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013 2:04 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Open access research: some basics for scientists As the OA movement continues to gain steam, we are seeing scholars with a background in sciences take a keen interest and even develop surveys and such. While the enthusiasm is welcome, from what I am seeing in several instances now, is that scientists do not necessarily understand how to go about social science research. A scholar with a background in chemistry doing social science research with no training is not unlike a social scientist with no training in chemistry walking into a lab and playing about (although the potential damages are generally of a different nature). Scientists doing social science research: - should be aware of research ethics requirements - at universities in North America, for example, you must get a research ethics clearance to conduct survey or interview research - should understand the methodology used and its limitations - should know the area. A poorly conducted survey by someone who is not an expert on the topic surveyed may be more damaging than helpful. For example, the way questions are framed shapes how people understand the topic. Before you develop a survey on open access, you should be aware that there are least two basic approaches (green and gold), and if asking questions about gold, you should be aware that this is not equivalent to the article processing fee business model best, -- Dr. Heather Morrison Assistant Professor École des sciences de l'information / School of Information Studies University of Ottawa http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/faculty/hmorrison.html heather.morri...@uottawa.ca ALA Accreditation site visit scheduled for 30 Sept-1 Oct 2013 / Visite du comité externe pour l'accréditation par l'ALA est prévu le 30 sept-1 oct 2013 http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/accreditation.html http://www.esi.uottawa.ca/accreditation.html _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal _______________________________________________ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
