On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) < a.w...@elsevier.com> wrote:
Hi Stevan, > > I must confess to being utterly perplexed by this email. Elsevier's > policies have not changed (though we are reflecting and reviewing, as > always) so is it that Romeo has changed the way it classifies our existing > policies? Very interested in learning more... > > With kind wishes, > > Alicia > > Dr Alicia Wise > Director of Access and Policy > Elsevier > Hi Alicia, I agree completely that Elsevier's Green OA No-Embargo Policy has not changed at all from the way Karen formulated it 10 years ago: "*An author may post his version of the final paper on his personal web site and on his institution's web site (including its institutional respository). Each posting should include the article's citation and a link to the journal's home page (or the article's DOI). The author does not need our permission to do this, but any other posting (e.g. to a repository elsewhere) would require our permission. By "his version" we are referring to his Word or Tex file, not a PDF or HTML downloaded from ScienceDirect - but the author can update his version to reflect changes made during the refereeing and editing process. Elsevier will continue to be the single, definitive archive for the formal published version*." But SHERPA Romeo is classifying the Policy correctly as Green (and for some Elsevier journals "Blue," *which actually also means Green!* But because of Romeo's absurd colour scheme, "Romeo Blue" means that the refereed final draft can be immediately self-archived without embargo, whereas "Romeo Green" is reserved for when both the refereed final draft *and* the pre-refereeing draft can be immediately self-archived -- which is utterly irrelevant for OA, and caused needless and endless confusion, being at odds with the way "Green OA" is now universally used!) Publisher (linked to the full RoMEO details)RoMEO ColourDefault PoliciesJournal List Elsevier<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=30&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en> GreenDefault Policies<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=30&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=30&letter=A> - *Cancer Treatment Communications <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1506&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* GreenSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1506&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1506&letter=ALL> - *Creative Commons <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1504&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* GreenSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1504&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1504&letter=ALL> - *Current Therapeutic Research <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1507&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* GreenSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1507&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1507&letter=ALL> - *FEBS Open Bio <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1500&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* GreenSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1500&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1500&letter=ALL> - *Journal of Cancer Policy <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1509&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* GreenSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1509&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1509&letter=ALL> - *Lancet <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1274&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* BlueSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1274&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1274&letter=ALL> - *Physics of the Dark Universe <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1503&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* GreenSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1503&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1503&letter=ALL> - *Results in Physics <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1508&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* GreenSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1508&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1508&letter=ALL> - *SCOAP3 <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1810&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* GreenSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1810&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> [image: No information]Elsevier<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=131&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en> (Cell Press) Blue Default Policies<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=131&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full>Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=131&letter=ALL> - *OAJ <http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1468&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en>* BlueSpecial Policy<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=1468&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=1468&letter=ALL> Elsevier España<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=990&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en> (Elsevier Doyma) GreenDefault Policies<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=990&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=990&letter=A> Elsevier Masson<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=265&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en> GreenDefault Policies<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=265&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&la=en&format=full> Journal list<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/journals.php?la=en&fIDnum=%7C&mode=simple&id=265&letter=A> But I also have to add that some of the confusion is caused by Elsevier's more recent attempts to add some pseudo-legal hedges to its Green OA policy, to the effect that Elsevier's authors retain the right to do everything Karen specified in 2004 *except if they are required to exercise that right (by their institutions)*, in which they may not do it. 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On 27 May 2014, at 09:54, "Stevan Harnad" <amscifo...@gmail.com> wrote: > From GOAL's predecessor, the American Scientist Open Access Forum, May > 27 2004 <http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/3771.html>: > > Elsevier Gives Authors Green Light for Open Access Self-Archiving > > - This message: [ Message > body<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/3771.html#start3771> > ] > [ More options > (top<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/3771.html#options2> > , > bottom<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/3771.html#options3>) > ] > - Related messages: [ Next > message<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/3772.html> ] > [ Previous > message<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/3770.html> > ] [ Next in > thread<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/3772.html> ] > [ > Replies<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/3771.html#replies> > ] > > > > - Contemporary messages sorted: [ by > date<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/date.html#msg3771> ] > [ by > thread<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/index.html#msg3771> > ] > [ by > subject<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/subject.html#msg3771> > ] > [ by > author<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/author.html#msg3771> > ] > [ by messages with > attachments<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/attachment.html> > ] > > > From: Stevan Harnad > <harnad_at_ecs.soton.ac.uk<harnad_at_ecs.soton.ac.uk?Subject=Re%3A%20Elsevier%20Gives%20Authors%20Green%20Light%20for%20Open%20Access%20Self-Archiving> > > > Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:51:58 +0100 > > Elsevier has just gone from being a Romeo "Pale-Green" publisher to a full > Romeo Green publisher: Authors have the publisher's official green light > to > self-archive both their pre-refereeing preprints and their refereed > postprints. > > Elsevier has thereby demonstrated that -- whatever its pricing policy > may be -- it is a publisher that has heeded the need and the expressed > desire of the research community for Open Access (OA) and its benefits to > research productivity and progress. > http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/accessdebate/21.html > > There will be the predictable cavils from the pedants and those who > have never understood the real meaning and nature of OA: "It's only the > final refereed draft, not the publisher's PDF," "It does not include > republishing rights," "Elsevier is still not an OA publisher." > > I, for one, am prepared to stoutly defend Elsevier on all these counts, > and to say that one could not have asked for more, and that the full > benefits of OA require not one bit more -- from the publisher. > > For now it's down to you, Dear Researchers! Elsevier (and History) > is hereafter fully within its rights to say: > > "If Open Access is truly as important to researchers as they claim it > is -- indeed as 30,000+ signatories to the PLoS Open Letter attested > that it was http://www.publiclibraryofscience.org/cgi-bin/plosSign.pl > -- > then if researchers are not now ready to *provide* that Open Access, > even when given the publisher's official green light to do so, > then there is every reason to doubt that they mean (or even know) > what they are saying when they clamour for Open Access." > > Elsevier publishes 1,700+ journals. That means at least 200,000 articles > a year. Eprints.org will be carefully quantifying and tracking what > proportion of those 200,000 articles is made OA by their authors through > self-archiving across the next few months and years. Indeed we will be > monitoring all of the over 80% of journals sampled by Romeo that are > already green. > > (The following Romeo summary stats are already out of date, because 1700 > pale-green journals have now become bright green! > http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Temp/Romeo/romeosum.html > but we will soon catch up at: http://romeo.eprints.org/ [which is > under construction, waiting for full journal lists from each of the 93 > publishers sampled so far].) > > The OA ball is now clearly in the research community's court (not the > publishing community's, not the library community's). Let researchers > and their employers and funders now all rise to the occasion by > adopting and implementing institutional OA provision policies. Don't > just sign petitions for publishers to provide OA, but commit your own > institution to providing it: > > http://www.eprints.org/signup/sign.php > > Stevan Harnad > > Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 03:09:39 +0100 > From: "Hunter, Karen (ELS-US)" <k.hunterelsevier.com> > To: "'harnad_at_ecs.soton.ac.uk'" <harnad_at_ecs.soton.ac.uk> > Cc: "Karssen, Zeger (ELS)" <Z.Karssen_at_elsevier.nl>, > "Bolman, Pieter (ELS)" <P.Bolman_at_elsevier.com>, > "Seeley, Mark (ELS)" <m.seeley_at_elsevier.com> > Subject: Re: Elsevier journal list > > Stevan, > > [H]ere is what we have decided on post-"prints" (i.e. published articles, > whether published electronically or in print): > > An author may post his version of the final paper on his personal web site > and on his institution's web site (including its institutional > respository). > Each posting should include the article's citation and a link to the > journal's home page (or the article's DOI). The author does not need our > permission to do this, but any other posting (e.g. to a repository > elsewhere) would require our permission. By "his version" we are referring > to his Word or Tex file, not a PDF or HTML downloaded from ScienceDirect - > but the author can update his version to reflect changes made during the > refereeing and editing process. Elsevier will continue to be the single, > definitive archive for the formal published version. > > We will be gradually updating any public information on our policies > (including our copyright forms and all information on our web site) to get > it all consistent. > > Karen > > Karen Hunter > Senior Vice President, Strategy > Elsevier > +1-212-633-3787 > k.hunter_at_elsevier.com > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > > ------------------------------ > > Elsevier Limited. 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