Sandy

Moral rights (the right to attribution; the right to object to derogatory 
treatment; the right to object to false attribution; and, now, the right to 
privacy over certain types of photograph and film) are in fact very much 
recognised under UK law.

Best wishes
Chris

From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
Sandy Thatcher
Sent: 03 March 2016 13:46
To: Danny Kingsley; lib-l...@lists.cam.ac.uk; lib-st...@lists.cam.ac.uk; 
goal@eprints.org; ukcorr-discuss...@jiscmail.ac.uk; scholc...@lists.ala.org
Subject: Re: [GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] BLOG: Is CC-BY really a problem or are we 
boxing shadows?

Klaus Graf and I debated this question in an article in the first issue of the 
Journal of Librarianship and Scholarly Communication back in 2012: 
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/254667054_Point_Counterpoint_Is_CC_BY_the_Best_Open_Access_License

I was particularly concerned about translations.  It should be noted, by the 
way, that the CC BY license in existence at the time we wrote this article 
contained a reference to distortion, mutilation, etc., as part of the license 
terms. That part was dropped in later iterations, and the only reference now is 
this: "Moral rights, such as the right of integrity, are not licensed under 
this Public License, nor are publicity, privacy, and/or other similar 
personality rights; however, to the extent possible, the Licensor waives and/or 
agrees not to assert any such rights held by the Licensor to the limited extent 
necessary to allow You to exercise the Licensed Rights, but not otherwise." In 
other words, licensors do not give up their moral rights by offering this 
license to users, but since moral rights are not recognized under British or US 
law (with a very limited exception under US law to works of fine art), that 
clause is of little comfort or utility for Anglo-American authors.
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode

I am glad to see that the Cambridge discussion continues to recognize that 
translations may be a problem for HSS authors.

There is one non sequitur in the Cambridge summary that needs to be addressed: 
"Academics do not publish in journals for money, so the originator of a work 
that is subsequently sold on is not personally losing a revenue stream." Just 
because an academic author may not be motivated by personal monetary gain does 
not mean that a personal revenue stream is not, in fact, lost in some 
circumstances. As former director of Penn State University Press, I can cite 
examples of authors who benefited to the tune of thousands of dollars from the 
reprinting of their articles from some of the journals we published.

There is a general problem also with the definition of what is "commercial." 
When Creative Commons itself conducted a survey several years ago as to what 
people understand to be the meaning of this word in the context of publishing, 
there was little consensus beyond a very small core of shared understanding of 
what the term means.

Sandy Thatcher




At 12:11 PM +0000 3/3/16, Danny Kingsley wrote:
<Apologies for cross posting>

Dear all,

You might be interested in the outcomes of a roundtable discussion held at 
Cambridge University earlier this week on the topic of Creative Commons 
Attribution licences.
Is CC-BY really a problem or are we boxing shadows? 
https://unlockingresearch.blog.lib.cam.ac.uk/?p=555

A taster:
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Comments from researchers and colleagues have indicated some disquiet about the 
Creative Commons (CC-BY) licence in some areas of the academic community. 
However, in conversation with some legal people and contemporaries at other 
institutions one of the observations was that generally academics are not 
necessarily cognizant with what the licences offer and indeed what protections 
are available under regular copyright.
To try and determine whether this was an education and advocacy problem or if 
there are real issues we had a roundtable discussion on 29 February at 
Cambridge University attended by about 35 people who were a mixture of 
academics, administrators, publishers and legal practitioners.
In summary, the discussion indicated that CC-BY licences do not encourage 
plagiarism, or issues with commercialism within academia (although there is a 
broader ethical issue). However in some cases CC-BY licences could pose 
problems for the moral integrity of the work and cause issues with 
translations. CC-BY licenses do create challenges for works containing 
sensitive information and for works containing third party copyright.

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Thanks

Danny
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