goanet-digest Monday, June 10 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4064
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[Goanet] Linobabache nazuk Kovita.
[Goanet] Ms. Coelho evades the issue......
[Goanet] NEWS: 100 varieties of mangoes at Indian fest
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:12:22 +0000
From: "A. Veronica Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Linobabache nazuk Kovita.
Lino Douradochi sokol diloli sundor Kovita.
Linobab Dourado hanchi "Hanv Montri Zalam Gha" kovita ekdom maka avoddli. Hi
kovita ek "satire" rupan boroilea ti vachpa sarki assa. Itli unch kovita
eka khuinchea tori Konknni potrar or masikar eunkuch zai ani jedna ticho
hetu ekdom tazo assa tedna ti ailear bori. Choddan chodd Konknni lokan ti
vachpachi goroz ani tech porim Konknni mollar itlo unch namnecho Kovi assa
mhonn gommpakui borem. Kuwaitak Konknni mollar Linobaba sarkello unch
kulliocho kovi assa mhonn maka ghorv bhogta ani oslea kovik porbim favta.
Linobab fuddem tanch mar ani oxech porim unch dhorjeacho kovita boroit rav,
amcho tumkam sodanch tenko astolo. Tujevelean Konknni Kovitanchem zoit zaum
ani Kuwaitak Konknnichem unchlepon vaddonk.
Konknni Mogi A. Veronica Fernandes-Kuwait.
"Eka Montreachea Rudan Kovita Rupan
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HANV MONTRI ZALAM GHA
Mhoje nove montrimonddolan asat cheallis subhagi
Nigtoch novo povitr prasad ghetla konnuch na papi
Daven-uzvean pollovpi nhoi, sarkech nitt rosto cholpi
Ponn kednai goroz podleruch meza pondchean hat korpi
Bizle montri tumkam kednach kallokant dovorchona
Air condition choloit ravat bizle meter voir sorchona
Vahutuk montri sardina baxen bosint tumkam bhorchona
Goddie tikeattichi dhor vhaddteli montreachea bolsak
burak asona
Vikas montri teag kortolo xarantli borich udhorgot
korpak
Goir kaidean imaroti ubheo, thodim flettam toiar
montreak diupak
'Tourism' montri adtolo bailo 'tourist' hotelancho
donddo vadovpak
Baina oslea sundoream kodlean AIDS pidda Goeant odik
vistravpak
Bolaikea montri sambaltolo bolaiki Goemchea porjeachi
Sorkari hospittolant distelem gordi na piddestanchi
Ghor montri rakonn kortolo dor ek Goemchea kuttumbachi
Daram ugttinch dovrun nidat birant na choranchi
Krixi montri xetkamot korinastana borpur jevon ditlo
'Non-agricultural land' oslo xik'ko marun pikavol
zomnir sudarop kortolo
Xikxonn montri Goemchi 'illeteracy' kobar korun jerul
ghetolo
Thodeach mhoineant porot venchnnuko ani fuddlo sorkar
xikop naslolo
Ani Hanv Mukhel Montri nit mhoji asteli ekdom
kodok-kor
Mhojem ritem aidon asa koslei kamank etna tacher poili
nodor dovor
Thodea zagea rikamea dovorleat,'Jumbo Cabinet'
alpachea
todir pavlo tor
Rockdeach montri zage choddoitat, kiteak ami Ali Baba
ani cheallis chor
Lino B. Dourado
(Utord'dekar)"
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Date: 10 Jun 2002 10:30:56 -0000
From: "John DSa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Ms. Coelho evades the issue......
From: Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ms. Coelho has posted on behalf of the GoaNet Admin. Her words are
in parenthesis [!]
A few replies from me. Sorry about taking up your time and
bandwidth with this issue. I would rather have taken it up on
GoaNet itself but since I have been suspended... I am taking the
liberty of sending a c.c. to GoaNet.
hopefully it will appear and this can be a more 'open' debate as
it wellshould be.
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Ms. Coelho:
[GoaNet is a non-profit volunteer-driven mailing list. The money
from paid advertisements is used to support noncommercial
community-building activities in Goa and to promote GoaNet.]
I have NEVER questioned what happens to the money. It is not my
concern.
But since you have brought up the topic please explain how it
makes sense that I send the $50 all the way to Boston and then it
is sent back to Goa to support these 'activities'? The commissions
on Money Transfers itself would make a large dent in the original
figure. Why was I instructed to send the money to Boston? Why not
to your representative in Goa or directly to the concerned
'activity'? Isn't anyone from the Admin Team in Goa? If not, then
who oversees the judicious use of the funds for these
'activities'?
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Ms. Coelho:
[GoaNet's policy on advertising, as it appears the Rules, states:
"Do not post advertisements. Commercial postings have to be paid
for if circulated via GoaNet." In the past we have ignored one or
two commercial posts within a few months from the same subscriber
or on the same subject, but repeated posts are not tolerated. Mr.
Pinto continued to advertise a floral business on GoaNet after
being asked not to do so, and was removed.]
It becomes apparent that Ms. Coelho has not been following close
attention to my previous explanatory e-mails.
At the risk of boring everyone else to death I will repeat the
sequence of postings.
On 27th April I posted some information which was NEVER objected
to by anyone.
On 30th April Herman sent me a warning about by 'advert/signature'
and NOT THE POSTING.
I heeded his warning and changed my 'signature' the very same
day.
On 29th of May, one month later, Herman decides to suspend me and
charge me $50 for a posting that was never objected to all this
while!!!!! And which
was BEFORE the warning!
So you see Ms. Coelho I never broke the rules. The only thing that
was brought to my attention was the change in my 'signature' which
I immediately rectified.
But lets for a moment give Herman (and the GoaNet Admin team) the
benefit of the doubt. Let say he (they) were confused about the
sequence of postings and hence he (they) applied the 'spirit'
rather than the 'letter'
of the Rule. Two points need to be clarified.
1) When I had agreed to pay for advertising why weren't the rates
sent to me as requested? Till date? What are the rates anyway? How
can I be accused of 'commercial postings' when I have agreed to
pay and asked for a Tariff?
2) By Herman's logic I was charged $50 for two of my postings.
This means each posting/ advert is charged at $25. Rather high but
I nevertheless agreed to pay. Again, all I requested was a Tariff
Card and an Invoice to facilitate the payment. These too have not
been forthcoming.
Ms. Coelho claims that money from "paid advertisments is used
for....". I presume thus that money has been collected in the
past. At what rate were the advertisers charged? Or is it always
an arbitrary decision like this one where the advertiser is
charged a random amount AFTER the advert
appears? What a strange way to do business.
From the GoaNet archives I have located three 'adverts' that
appeared at the end of every (normal subscriber) posting, each for
a good period of time, in the last few years.
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1)To buy or sell any kind of real-estate or business investment
almost anywhere in the world, contact Mario Dias 1 403 252 3057,
FAX 1 403 258 0432 or find out more at: http://real-invest.net
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2)Agnelo Gomes Associates, Consulting Engineers, Philadelphia, Pa,
USA.
Offer Mechanical and Electrical Engineering Services for
Architectural Buildings and Industrial Plants. E-mail:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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3)Paid Advert:
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Executive Ball of the Millennium in GOA, Dec 31st.
For details: http://www.goacom.com/business/blasco/
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Notice that only number (3) above has 'Paid Advert' before it.
Does that mean that the other two were free? How much was charged
for the 'Paid Advert'? If it was indeed $25 per posting then the
'community building
activities' in Goa are indeed lucky. It's a hell of a lot of
money. That too considering the other two were free. If they too
were charged at $25 a posting then we can probably clear the Goa
Government budget deficit with
the proceeds. And if the other two were not charged, why not?
And since these are blatant adverts and not 'commercial postings'
I am sure they must have been charged substantially more.
Unlike my postings which were more like Press Notes rather than
Adverts.
The journalist in your team should be able to explain the
difference. He too places Press Notes for services and
establishments he likes, very often. Nobody objects to that! Or do
the Rules apply only to the normal
subscriber and not the Admin Team members?
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Ms. Coelho:
[Regarding informing GoaNetters about members who have been
unsubscribed, it is simply not our policy to do so. This is not
the Middle Ages and there will be no public floggings or
executions, period.]
I think you are alluding to a question by Mr. Allwyn Sequeira. His
question I am sure was in the interests of transparency of action
so that other subscribers know what are the lines they cannot
cross. These closed door
decisions are highly objectionable. Take my case. Herman claimed
that it was a consensus opinion of the Admin Team, who have been
c.c.ed in all correspondence. This missive from Ms. Coelho is the
first time anyone else
from the Admin team had spoken on the topic although the
'controversy' has been going on for more than 10 days. And the
normal GoaNet Subscriber has no idea of the sequence of events,
the charges, the rates - or the
injustice. Why should they not be informed? This is not a public
flogging but more of having a jury of peers rather than a hanging
judge!
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Ms. Coelho:
[Mr. Pinto can and will be reinstated if he chooses, and we will
waive the fee for his past use of GoaNet to advertise as long as
he agrees to abide by our rules.]
Thank you most kindly for waiving the 'fee'. I will use the money
saved for 'community building' by 'family feeding'. But before I
start spending the money let me to restate...
I have abided by all your rules. I have stuck to the 'letter' of
the rules if not the 'spirit'. You don't need a degree in Law to
figure that out. The GoaNet team could well use its vast energies
to properly clarify the rules and rates before penalising members.
As Allwyn Sequeira had asked, I quote "What construes an
advertisement on GoaNet? A signature? A recommendation?
An announcement about a service? A short story with a commercial
message?"
Once the different categories of adverts are clarified then fixed
rates should be set up and not this arbitrary demand for $50.
As regards 're-instating' my membership I would like someone from
the Admin Team to appraise me of my CURRENT status. Initially
Herman wrote me that I was 'suspended' for a month. I presume this
means I cannot post for a
month. Then Herman told me I was 'no longer welcome'. What does
this mean?
That I can post, but my posts are not welcome? Or am I
indefinitely suspended? Or permanently? My choice hardly comes
into question. I did not ask to be suspended or unsubscribed, or
whatever.
More important than my indvidual case, is the precedent which is
being set.
Can the Owner / Admin team suspend or remove a member without
following proper procedure? What is the procedure? What are the
rules? Specially regarding advertisements or 'commercial
postings'.
That is the issue.
Cecil
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:05:12 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] NEWS: 100 varieties of mangoes at Indian fest
Mangoes all the way in Tamil Nadu
>From Indo-Asian News Service
Chennai, June 10 (IANS) A little over 100 varieties of mangoes were on
display as south India's biggest mango festival got under way in the Tamil
Nadu town of Krishnagiri.
Tamil Nadu Education Minister M. Thambidurai inaugurated the festival
Sunday.
The All-India Mango Exhibition, as the show is known, is an annual event
that takes place in different parts of India. It showcases mangoes from all
corners of the country.
At a seminar, experts will present papers on India's national fruit. A music
festival has been organised on the occasion.
Authorities at Krishnagari, 400 km west of Chennai, have set up a mango park
for children where all decorations resemble mangoes.
- --Indo-Asian News Service
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