goanet-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4097
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Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
[Goanet] Canonization
Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
[Goanet] 10QUESTIONS: ... does Goan humour have a gloomy side too?
[Goanet] FREE LEGAL ADVICE
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[Goanet] Capt Joe DeSilva
[Goanet] Puddles & Dandelions
[Goanet] NEWS: India going nuclear for new Prez?
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 01:30:34 +0000
From: "Nagesh Bhatcar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
Wonder if Time wrote such an article when Ronald Reagan was falling
asleep in meetings and had become forgetful. The World should have been
on edge when the ever drinking Boris Yeltsin was in power at the
Kremlin! He could have nuked the world in a second!
It has been reported that Ronald Reagan's Alzheimer's desease
had set in when he was the President. And as per many in the US, an
American President such as Reagan, could do no wrong!!! Presidnt Gerald
Ford tripped and fell a number of times. But then again, the President of
the United States is not equal to the Prime Minister of India!
Even if the Prime Minister of India had died in a Nuclear accident, the
US and the West would not care, before the events of September 11.
The only people I remember mocking at the President, were the folks
at NBC, with their hilarious 'Saturday Night Live' episodes.
Nagesh Bhatcar
>From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Precedence: bulk
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>Indian prime minister's office says Time magazine article in bad taste
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> >From Indo-Asian News Service
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>New Delhi, June 18 (IANS) Indian Prime Minister's Atal Bihari Vajpayee's
>office has decried a report in Time magazine as being replete with material
>and factual errors and in "bad taste" and said his competence to control
>the
>country's nuclear capabilities had never been questioned.
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>The report has already been dismissed by India's ministry of external
>affairs as "completely without foundation" and a "completely biased and
>ill-informed article".
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>In a rejoinder to the report "Asleep at the Wheel?" (June 17), Ashok
><<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>towering personality and the most popular political figure in the country.
>(ends text)
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>--Indo-Asian News Service
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:38:41 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Canonization
A life accomplished in sanctity does not need human intervention to accredit
it with sainthood. Let that be God's action or inaction, and if God chooses
to remain invisible, let us not invade that barrier with our sanctified
theatrics.
Dom Martin
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Date: 19 Jun 2002 01:49:58 -0000
From: "Sonali Prabhudesai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 Nagesh Bhatcar wrote :
>Ford tripped and fell a number of times. But then again, the
>President of the United States is not equal to the Prime Minister
>of India!
Dont forget Mr. Bush Sr. who puked in Japan or Jr. who choked on a
harmless pretzel. At least Vajpayee can devour his food without
any problems.
- - Sonali
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:08:08 -0400
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
Sonali wrote:
>Dont forget Mr. Bush Sr. who puked in Japan or Jr. who choked on a
>harmless pretzel. At least Vajpayee can devour his food without
>any problems.
Sonali,
Here's something from today's The Globe and Mail, (Canada) that I found
interesting.
Mervyn
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Terrorism is defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as "use of force or
violence by a person or group against people or property with the intention
of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for idelogical
or political reasons."
Apparently, the United States has just adopted terrorism as its official
foreign policy regarding Iraq. George W. Bush has given the CIA a green
light to "to topple or capture" the Iraqi leader, using violence and "deadly
force" if necessary.
The Iraqi people are no doubt trilled that the Americans feel it is their
right to determine who should be running Iraq, and that they are willing to
resort to terrorism to achieve thier aims. The war on terrorism' continues,
with the CIA preparing to make al-Queda look like the amateur thugs they
are.
Craig Squires, Toronto.
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I don't see why there has to be concern in Washington about the illegality
of assassinating foreign leaders such as Saddam Hussein. All the US
government has to do is label him an "enemy combatant" and then they can do
whatever they like with him.
Mike McNulty, Kichner, Ontario
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:24:54 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] 10QUESTIONS: ... does Goan humour have a gloomy side too?
DO WE LAUGH AT OURSELVES? OR, DOES GOAN HUMOUR HAVE A GLOOMY SIDE TOO?
Journalist, editor and poet Manohar Shetty edited 'Goa Today' between
1987-93. He has published three books of poems, the last 'Domestic
Creatures' from Oxford University Press (New Delhi), and has edited 'Ferry
Crossing -- Short Stories from Goa' (Penguin India).
Shetty read his poems at Lahti, Finland last year at a literary festival and
has been invited later this year to the Vilinica Arts Festival in Slovenia.
He also did a special India number for 'Poetry Wales' due out next month. He
has ideas to edit a big book on Goa "but no arts foundation or grants
commissions seem interested," he complains.
After all this serious work, Shetty took time to recently look at Goan
humour. FREDERICK NORONHA uses the peg offered by Shetty's recently-edited
'humour special' (published by the now government-run Institute Menezes
Braganza's journal 'Govapuri', available at its first floor office above
Panjim's Central Library at Rs 20.) to discuss the state of Goan writing.
This volume contains the "first ever English translation of an almost
forgotten book" -- Jacob e Dulce, set in the 1890s Margao colloquialisms and
thought untranslatable; news-reports like "100 sausages stolen from Chandor
shop"; and Mario Miranda's early illustrations published over five decades
ago in a 'Loutulensis League' souvenir!
Excerpts:
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After having done the work, what's your view of Goan humour? Does it exist?
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Yes, of course it exists and some of it more sophisticated than the
rumbustious 'tiatr'. But there's also a gloomy side, a morbid interest in
obituaries, funerals, ghosts and other people's misfortunes.
(Note also the sepulchral air in the office of Institute Menezes Braganza
and the torture chamber that is the Sub Registrar's office of Births and
Deaths. You'd wish you'd never been born. They make Kafka sound like P G
Wodehouse).
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What prompted you in choosing this subject?
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The previous issues have all been on the serious side -- the Liberation
Struggle, environment and heritage. I thought a humour special would balance
that and garner two or three more readers. Incidentally, 'Govapuri' has a
nonexistent readership. IMB's idea of distribution is storing all the copies
in a godown and posting sentries around it.
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How does the Goan sense of humour (if it exists) compare with other states?
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An awkward question. Can they be comparable? Isn't humour universal?
But as in all small, provincial places there's a tendency to believe that
they're the only ones with a vast fund of insider jokes. The happy-go-lucky
image is media myth. Naivete can be charming, but also dangerous. (Note the
distressing election results).
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Has this subject been studied sufficiently?
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Why reduce humour to scholastic drudgery?
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Was it difficult to locate resources?
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Yes. Even the request sent out (via the Internet for material related to
Goa-humour) received virtually no response, except for the jokes I picked up
from (one of the Goan online) newsletter.
In the end I was compelled to use a story of my own, which had nothing to do
with Goa (except that I'm quasi-Goan by now), just to make up the numbers.
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What struck you about cartoonist Mario Miranda's early work (which are
included in this volume)?
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His eye for detail, his skills as a draughts-man, and the total absence of
malice.
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Have any earlier attempts been made of this kind, for instance Peter
Nazareth's 'reader' which looks, inter alia, at some humour writing?
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'Ferry Crossing' does contain a few stories on the funny side, but the
general tone is somber.
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What are the next themes for Govapuri?
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My contract with them has not been renewed. This is my sixth, and after my
above comments, probably my last issue. Nice way to sign off.
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What's the state of literature and fiction in Goa today? Do we have enough
journals to support it? Is the market simply too small?
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I'm afraid the situation isn't very promising. Most of the older writers
have virtually stopped writing serious fiction.
Some poets, with inflated reputations, still use an archaic idiom and have
no concept of modern poetry. What is not understood is simply condemned as
obscure.
There are enough journals, but what is important is the quality, even though
the market is a limited one, unlike in some other regional languages.
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Name three urgent tasks needed to be completed to encourage creative writing
in Goa today?
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Like in other fields, writers should keep in touch with modern trends
But here people just don't read other writers with international
reputations. Which is why so much of the work seems dated.
The surprise ending, the twist in the tail, ended long ago with O Henry, but
here it is still a fashion. As for poetry, the public choice is between
Keats and Ogden Nash.
The absence of a high standard bearer in one's internal lexicon
means that mediocrity is recognised as excellence. The result is there
are too many bromides around us -- and not just in the picture postcards.
All the problems with Goan literature stems from this single factor:
an unseeing eye on the books all around us. Add to that the uncritical
glorifying of writers from a past era and the absence of an objective
contemporary critical climate. It's Paradise Lost.(ENDS)
FOOTNOTE: Manohar Shetty can be contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:12:14 +0530
From: Goa Desc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] FREE LEGAL ADVICE
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:56:03 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: LETTER FROM PAKISTAN / 'Milestone' for ecumenism in Pakistan
A "milestone" for ecumenism in Pakistan
KARACHI: Catholics are hailing the appointment of two Protestant teachers of Greek and
Hebrew at their main theological center as a landmark move towards ecumenism. Arne
Rudovin, a retired bishop of the Church of Pakistan who has taught Greek, and Hebrew
language expert Gerald Mall are to lecture the students of the National Catholic
Institute of Theology this summer.Mall is the vice-principal of St Thomas Theological
College, located on the premises of the Holy Trinity Cathedral.
This is the first time that NCIT has introduced Greek and Hebrew language courses for
its pupils.
The dean of NCIT, Fr Robert McCullough, made the announcement during the release of
the institute's annual report.Fr McCullough was quoted by NCIT students last week as
saying that the latest staff recruitment was an important step on the less travelled
path to ecumenism in Pakistan. Ecumenism, which is a part of the current academic
session at NCIT, has become a popular goal for the two denominations in recent years
in the face of mounting persecution.
KARACHI: There are believed to be some 200 names for Jesus Christ in the Old and New
Testaments of the Bible, a Christian scholar said here. Paul Herson, a leading
theologist and pastor of the Central Baptist Church on Tariq Road, said that knowledge
of those names would enrich the lives of all Christians. Some of the names reeled off
by Herson are attributes of Christ.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:06:21 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Capt Joe DeSilva
Rene: He's ex-Belgaum. FN
>From the obituary ad: "Death Capt Joseph F X DeSilva (Joe), Navelim-Belgaum,
ex-Indian Navy. Son of late Capt Julius and late Jovina DeSilva, beloved
husband of Olya, loving father of Alexander (Shurick), Ravi Mark and Dr
Natasha. Expired on 18/6/2002 under tragic circumstances. Funeral details to
be intimated tomorrow...."
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From: "rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Seaman falls off boat; drowns
Fred ,
Is Joe not the brother of John D Silva ?
Joe was our school mate - at St.Pauls in Belgaum.
rene
Seaman falls off boat; drowns
>From Our Margao Bureau
MARGAO, June 18: Captain of vessel MV Gosalia Prospects, Joe D'Silva died
when he fell off the boat, this afternoon. The strong winds had also carried
away the vessel, which was later brought back to the Mormugao Port Trust's
(MPT) berth.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:09:02 -0400
From: "Nora D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Puddles & Dandelions
Big Mud Puddles and Sunny Yellow Dandelions
Author Unknown
When I look at a patch of dandelions, I see a bunch of weeds that are going
to take over my yard.
My kids see flowers for Mom and blowing white fluff you can wish on.
When I look at an old drunk and he smiles at me, I see a smelly, dirty
person who probably wants money and I look away.
My kids see someone smiling at them and they smile back.
When I hear music I love, I know I can't carry a tune and don't have much
rhythm so I sit self-consciously and listen.
My kids feel the beat and move to it. They sing out the words. If they=20
don't know them, they make up their own.
When I feel wind on my face, I brace myself against it. I feel it messing=
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up my hair and pulling me back when I walk.
My kids close their eyes, spread their arms and fly with it, until they=20
fall to the ground laughing.
When I pray, I say thee and thou and grant me this, give me that.
My kids say, "Hi God! Thanks for my toys and my friends. Please keep the=20
bad dreams away tonight. Sorry, I don't want to go to Heaven yet. I would
miss my Mommy and Daddy."
When I see a mud puddle I step around it. I see muddy shoes and dirty
carpets.
My kids sit in it. They see dams to build, rivers to cross, and worms to
play with.
I wonder if we are given kids to teach or to learn from? No wonder God=20
loves the little children!
Enjoy the little things in life, for one day you may look back and realize
they were the big things.
I wish you Big Mud Puddles and Sunny Yellow Dandelions!!!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:38:33 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] NEWS: India going nuclear for new Prez?
India Going Nuclear for New Prez? (Politics 2:00 a.m. PDT)
http://go.hotwired.com/news/politics/0,1283,53250,00.html/wn_ascii
The architect of India's nuclear program gets overwhelming support and
appears set to become the 12th president of the country. Ashutosh Sinha
reports from New Delhi, India.
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