goanet-digest Friday, June 21 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4104
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In this issue:
[Goanet] The Famous Song 'SAO JOAO'
[Goanet] Miracle is an appeal to ignorance
[Goanet] INVITE: Talk on Simputers, Saturday morning
[Goanet] SANCHAYANI IN DEEP TROUBLE -Depositors not paid.
[Goanet] VOICE OF GOA
[Goanet] Re: Miracle is an appeal to ignorance
[Goanet] NRI Goa Facilitation Centre
[Goanet] Thunder and lightning
[Goanet] Some websites from Goa
[Goanet] World Cup first quarter
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:54:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] The Famous Song 'SAO JOAO'
The famous song 'SAO JOAO' composed by the great
tiatrist of Konkani stage, the late C. Alvares,
reminds me the good old days, how we used to sing
merry songs of San Joao and walk to the well, where
they (zanvoi) take a plunge into the water.
Monday 24th July San Joao feast let me give you the
lyrics of the famous song.
SAO JOAO
Amim sogle zavoim vortata chodda tempan betle
Sao Joaochem fest mhun ami movoddea aile
Mateak him kopelam gallun udok navunk bhair sorlle
Aichea disa vodle ami noko fuim paule.
'CHORUS'
Sao Joao, Sao Joao
Gumta mure vatt amkam disona,
Aicho dis urbecho kon konnak hanssona
Chol re piere tum ilo ge re
Falleam khaim mevonam
Oslim festam vorsak kiteak don pautti ena
II
Zavuim ami festak ailea mhun vaddean bobav podla
Mhojea Sasupain char kouxe soro hadla
Char kudvamchim sanna ukdun ani ek dukor marla
Sezarche Kossu mauxen ponos dadla
III
Vodilamchem kaidea pormonem udok natta baimchem
Kodegant fest hem amchem mavodechem
Pondra dis alche nhoi angache borech marun jeuchem
Chol atam Sao Joao morea maguir tem pouchem.
'Rp. Chorus'
ENJOY 'N' HAPPY FEAST SAO JOAO
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:00:04 -0000
From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Miracle is an appeal to ignorance
- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Joe Vaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Quote:"I am frankly tired of this argument now, because I think I
>have failed miserably in explaining to Mr. Vaz=85" Unquote.
>
I am rapidly becoming tired of this argument this time around as
well, and continue to fail miserably in explaining to my detractors
what I am trying to say here. But I am going to state as clearly as I
can one last time where my beef is.
I have no problem with people who believe in miracles based on faith,
just as I have no problem with people who believe in God based on
faith. After all I am surrounded by them. My problem is only with
people who claim that certain miracles are certified by a scientific
committee and a legitimate "scientific scrutiny or scientific study
and analysis".
>
> The miracle is essentially an appeal to knowledge.
>
I am sorry, but I think it is self-evident that miracle is an appeal
to ignorance. Those who claim that a miracle has taken place have
already accepted that God has made it happen. They don't ask any more
questions. There is no room for any further inquiry. They have
already surrendered their mind, their intellect and their curiosity
to the idea that they cannot possibly understand how God made it
happen. They cannot fathom God's ways. For them miraculous occurrence
as an act of God is the be-all and end-all explanation. Learning
cannot begin when inquiry ends. Knowledge cannot be acquired when
wisdom has already been received.
History has shown us time and again that advancement of human
knowledge has occurred every single time that we have stopped
believing in a miraculous explanation. If we had continued to believe
that thunder and lightning were acts of God, we would still be
lighting oil lamps in our homes. I would challenge anybody to give me
one example wherein advancement of knowledge occurred as a
consequence of believing that a miracle has taken place.
Cheers,
Santosh
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:50:14 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] INVITE: Talk on Simputers, Saturday morning
Goa Chamber of Commerce & Industry in collaboration with the Government of
Goa is organising a seminar on Simputers on Saturday, 22nd June at 10 am
at the Hotel Mandovi, Panjim.
Adv Francisco D'Souza, honourable minister for IT, Government of Goa will
inaugurate the event. K.R.Naik, chairman and MD of D-Link (I) Ltd will be
the guest of honour
Faculty: Dr Vinay Deshpande, chairman and CEO Encore Software Ltd
Bangalore
Seminar focus: On Simputers, a newly developed low-cost, generic, mobile
computing device for universal access with multiple connectivity options.
*No delegate fee. Registration opens at 9.30 at the venue. Open to the
public *
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:05:58 +0530
From: Goa Desc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] SANCHAYANI IN DEEP TROUBLE -Depositors not paid.
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SANCHAYANI IN DEEP TROUBLE
Depositors not paid for the last one and half year
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Nearly one hundred complaints have been registered
against Sanchayani Finance and Investment Limited
for failure in paying deposits to its investors,
informed DySP (Economics Offences Cell) Fintan D'Souza.
It is learnt that the investors have not been paid their deposit
amounts for the last more than one and half year
due to suffering of losses by the company.
The Economics Offences Cell (EOC) swung into action
and directed the company to refund the deposits
with interest to the investors.
Pursuing the case, the EOC has instructed the Sanchayani
divisional manager Suraj Naik to submit fortnightly reports
to the police on the number of cases disposed.
According to the police, the list of the names of complainants
are regularly forwarded to the company so that the deposits
are returned to the investors within one month of the maturity
of the investment certificate. Sanchayani has been approximately
disposing 20 to 30 cases per week.
Suraj Naik has been granted anticipatory bail while other
company directors arrested in Sindhudurg district
have been already charge sheeted.
The company has offices at Margao, Mapusa and Panaji.
The assets owned by the Sanchayani are office premises
situated on first floor, Malbarao Sardessai building, Panaji,
First floor, Bhavani Apartments, Mapusa and
Commerce House, Margao.
The company also owns Sanchayani House, near Mahalaxmi Temple, Panaji,
Sanchayani Palace, Sanchayani Bhavan and
Sanchayani Anant Vishwa at Margao.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:59:11 +0530
From: Goa Desc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] VOICE OF GOA
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VOICE OF GOA
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I wish to salute the people of Cortalim constituency for electing
well-known social activist Mathany Saldanha to the Goa assembly
in the just concluded elections. In doing so, they have also dumped
one of Goa's most corrupt politicians Mauvin Godinho and taught him
a good lesson for his indiscriminate looting of public funds
and for espousing the cause of non-Goans more than Goans.
No doubt his major votes came from them and so it was also not
surprising that most of the speakers at his campaign meetings
were hired from Kerala and Karnataka. Perhaps he can try his luck
in elections in those States now.
It is an irony that a man has made so many sacrifices in the last 26-27 years
while championing the cause of Goan society, had to wait for so many years
to make it to the assembly.
Mathany Saldanha is a man who has fought so much for the social causes
and against injustice done to Goans that one has lost count
of the number of times he was arrested by the government
to suppress his powerful voice.
Mathany who began his struggle with the issue of ramponkars
later went to fight against anti-people policies and other
anti-environment programmes of the successive governments.
He is a learned man who knows what he speaks,
who takes up each issue on its merits and does not discriminate
on the bases of caste or religion.
He is not in politics for the sake of cheap popularity which most of our
half-baked,
semi-literate politicians yearn for, but the only thing that matters to him
is the well-planned and ecologically sound development of Goa.
And who can ever forget Mathany's role in securing
the status of official language to Konkani.
Here is a man who has a vision for the all round development of Goa
and is not into politics for personal gains unlike the general breed
of Goan politicians. Mathany Saldanha is like a shining beacon
in the filthy world of Goans politics.
Thank God, now at least we have an MLA who is not afraid
to speak out his mind without the fear of losing his office.
Every Goenkar should be proud of him and should support him
in all his endeavours. Mathany, we consider you to be the leader
of not only Cortalim, but you represent the bold voice of the silent majority
of Goans who are desperately waiting for a clean and dedicated politician
like you.
All Goenkars are strongly behind you.
Frankie Fernandes
Salvador do Mundo, Bardez
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:35:26 +0000
From: "Joe Vaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Miracle is an appeal to ignorance
Dear Readers:
I want you to understand that I was trying to put the “Miracle” concept into
context, so that misconceptions, posited in Santosh’s posts, may be exposed
to clarity.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>“MIRACLE IS AN APPEAL TO IGNORANCE.”
>I am sorry, but I think it is self-evident that miracle is an appeal to
>ignorance.
Mr. Helekar:
Like all other things on this subject you indeed have miserably failed to
objectively prove how “Miracle is an appeal to ignorance.”
We can all see that we are not getting anywhere with Santosh’s rhetoric that
“Miracle is an appeal to ignorance” – unless of course he can substantiate
through his scientific prowess and conclusively prove that in fact miracle
is an appeal to ignorance.
I had cited just two examples of a miracle by definition: Red Sea parting as
depicted in the movie "The Ten Commandments" (i.e., not simply a low tide);
Jesus raising the dead man Lazarus to life (John, xi).
It has been thousands of years now that these miracles occurred — and
neither can history deny it, nor has science (scientists) refuted these
occurrences, — through plausible scientific explanations.
Inasmuch as I like to believe our intellectual here who states that:
“Miracle is an appeal to ignorance.” Like others on the forum, I would like
to request our esteemed scientist, -- to demonstrate to this audience
through his own scientific wit (or through his peer-review) that the above
are not miracles – but merely “an appeal to ignorance.”
And if you think the onus of providing scientific proof is NOT upon you,
through your sheer inability to do so, (or for lack of scientific wit in
this area,) then – please hold your peace.
You are NOT doing any service to either science or humanity here – but
causing upheavals, by your constant mocking of the subject matter.
Best wishes,
Joe Vaz
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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2002 10:38:35 +0530
From: "nrigoa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] NRI Goa Facilitation Centre
Dear Friend,
I am pleased to inform you that the Govt. of Goa has set up a NRI (Goans)
Facilitation Centre, with a view to strengthening the cultural roots of
Goans who are working/living abroad. The programme assigned to the Centre
includes compilation of a Directory of NRI (Goans), identifying their
problems and ways and means to solve them. We have also been asked to
prepare schemes to provide insurance cover to them and/or their family
members and exploring the possibility of mobilising their resources/talents
for the development of Goa.
While the process of compilation of the Directory has already started and
insurance cover schemes are being discussed with some insurance companies, I
seek your guidance for giving concrete shape to various other schemes in the
light of the expectations and needs of NIR (Goans). Similarly I would like
to have the names and addresses of fellow Goans in your country, for
inclusion in the proposed directory. The information may be sent on the
form.
A word in confirmation will be highly appreciated.
With regards and thanks,
Yours faithfully,
(Chandrakant Keni)
Chairman
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:52:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Thunder and lightning
Santosh Helekar writes:
"If we had continued to believe
that thunder and lightning were acts of God, we would
still be lighting oil lamps in our homes."
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Why? Einstein believed that the Universe is an act of
God, but that didn't stop him successfully challenging
Newton's scientific dogmas. I see no problem with
scientists bending the knee before God provided they
do not bend it before mere human beings and their
conjectures.
Regards,
Joel Almeida
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:18:43 +0530 (IST)
From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Some websites from Goa
Please check these out
www.vascoclub.com
www.ancestralgoa.8m.com
www.shyamsundargoa.com
www.gudms.org
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:20:37 +0000
From: "A. Veronica Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] World Cup first quarter
CONGRATULATIONS BRAZIL.
Once again history repeated itself when Brazil once again expectedly
defeated England in the quarter final today a few hours before. One mistake
of a defender means one goal and that was what exactly happened when young
Michael Owen was given a golden and easy chance by Brazilian defender to
score the first goal of the match. Being opportunist and sure to capitalize
on such defensive errors Owen made no mistake. But, besides this goal Owen
was just a pale shadow of his otherwise real aggressive self. Captain David
Beckam from whom lot was expected also proved to be a failure. The
credibility of both these players were wrongly judged earlier on the basis
of their strength against the weak opponents. Brazil is Brazil. They are
not any other European team which is using hit and run techniques. Soon
after conceding an unexpected goal, Brazil proved to everyone why they are
called Brazil, the artists of soccer. Artistry in soccer is in their genes
and blood, whoever their players may be and that they are artists was proved
by Ronaldinho today. His move to score the equalizer by Rivaldo was just a
sheer piece of genius normally not seen among players from other countries.
Within a split of a moment he dribbled two-three defenders in the box,
lifted his one leg in one direction, then moved the ball to other direction
with the other leg and flicked it to Rivaldo just to neatly place it into
the net with his left foot. Earlier before this equalizer Ronaldo was just
unstoppable, his every touch to the ball, his every move was just a terror
for English defenders who lost much of their concentration and firmness.
With his clever moves Ronaldo really mesmerized the opponents. It was he
who attracted the attention of at least two defenders towards him thereby
giving more room to his other colleagues for maneuvering. It was very
difficult for English team especially their defenders to defend continuously
and stop the great Brazilian attacking trio of Rivaldo-Ronaldo-Ronaldinho.
Besides this deadly trio the Englishmen were unable to cope up with the
heavy pressure put in by the great Roberto Carlos. What a great attacking
defender he is having horse’s stamina. It is just a pleasure to see such a
fabulous player in this World Cup. Skipper Cafu of Brazil also played his
role very well. England had no proper answer to the attacking skills of
Brazil though they were defending their citadel well. But how long defenders
can defend the continuous onslaught of their opponents? This time Brazil’s
defence played well filling the loopholes earlier appreared of course with
the exception one silly mistake by Lucio.
The second half started well with Brazil and within a few minutes young
Ronaldinho’s excellent goal from 30 meters away from the goal in a direct
free kick sealed the fate of England who I feel did not deserve victory. If
they had to move ahead by fluke I am sure the interest in World Cup would be
lost. At least Brazilian moving up into semi final has created lot of
interest in this World Cup. For thirty long minutes England had great
opportunity to score and not only equalize but also to score more goals and
carry the day due to the advantage of having one man more on the field than
that of Brazil. Still they could not take advantage of the deficiency of
Brazil who played their hearts inspite of having one man less and to play in
such a situation and still win the match is not an easy task. The goal that
young twenty-two year old boy Ronaldinho scored was very fantastic, it was
not an ordinary task to score such a goal when England had a very good
custodian under their bar and that this custodian was totally baffled to see
the ball into his net itself shows the artistry and mastery of Ronaldinho to
score such a beautiful goal. It was sad to see his exit from the field with
a red card when he dangerously fouled his opponent in front of the referee.
No doubt it was a genuine infringement deserving castigation but surely not
the Red Card. Any way, well done Brazil, you deserve to win and go for
semi-final while your opponents England do not deserve a place in the
semifinal because they failed to beat you when you were having such a
disadvantageous position for 30 minutes.
The second quarter final of the day between USA and Germany though ended in
favour of Germany yet USA deserves more compliments than the winners because
USA displayed a very good brand of soccer, a very attractive compared to
their rivals and winners Germany. USA should have forged ahead in the
beginning itself but due to poor marksmanship, erratic and gutless finishing
they failed to score. Even the much needed equalizer could not be acquired
only because USA forwards showed lethargic attitude even near the goal
mouth. It is great to see USA players having excellent control of the ball,
beautiful passing and correct positioning besides abundant stamina to
survive for the 90 minutes without any sign of exhaustion. Whether they were
robbed of sure equalizer or not will be known in due course of time but the
match referee seemed to be more nervous. Germany played with shaky start
and due to their long tradition had an upper hand though they looked weak
opponents to USA. Their chances to move further are not very bright. Their
skipper and custodian Kahn is excellent under their bar and he really proved
at two occasions otherwise they would have been down by 0-2 in the first
half itself.
All the best for both the winners in the semi-finals.
A. Veronica Fernandes,
Kuwait.
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