--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Joe Vaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I want you to understand that I was trying to put the "Miracle" >concept into context, so that misconceptions, posited in Santosh's >posts, may be exposed to clarity. >
My legs are tired. I cannot go on in over time. I am also afraid of sudden death. I have a new substitute. His name is Sunithino. He is better than me at free kicks. He will take care of Joelinho. But this substitute Milagrino (Joe Vaz) from the other side keeps challenging me for a rematch. The big problem I have with him is he repeatedly slumps to the ground without being tripped, and then incites the crowd to appeal for a foul. This time he has also appealed for a red card in my penalty box. This can only mean that he knows all along that his goal is guarded by an invisible goalie who is believed to have made some miraculous saves. But nobody really knows whether this is true or not because nobody saw these games, and nobody has seen the goalie. > > Like all other things on this subject you indeed have miserably >failed to objectively prove how "Miracle is an appeal to ignorance." > Those who want to verify whether the above statement is credible or not, please refer to my earlier post. I will never be able to objectively prove anything to somebody who is not objective about it in the first place. But there is ample objective historical evidence that the demystification of a miracle claim in every single case has led to freedom from ignorance and advancement of knowledge. When belief in miracles was widespread, people died of small pox and syphilis. Belief in miracles never helped cure any disease. Acceptance of miracle cures did not and does not produce any advancement of medical knowledge. > > I had cited just two examples of a miracle by definition: Red Sea >parting as depicted in the movie "The Ten Commandments" (i.e., not >simply a low tide); Jesus raising the dead man Lazarus to life (John, >xi). > As I alluded to before, nobody saw these games. Joe Vaz, Have you seen them? Do you have authentic photographs of these events in real life by any chance? I have seen the movie. I hear they used props and things like that in it. But even in the movie enactment, the parting of the Red Sea looks pretty fake to me. Having said that, I know Joe Vaz is trying to win cheap sympathy for his argument from an audience that is overwhelmingly sensitive to the mention of Jesus's name. How can an irreverent lout like me ever score a goal against Jesus? So I will head this ball over my goal line. Let Joe Vaz have his cheap corner. > >Like others on the forum, I would like to request our esteemed >scientist, -- to demonstrate to this audience through his own >scientific wit (or through his peer-review) that the above are not >miracles but merely "an appeal to ignorance." > The above miracles are an appeal to ignorance because those who insist in the literal reality of these events are asking people to believe in things that are in violation of scientific principles and everyday experience. They are asking people to believe in things that are not supported by objective evidence. They are trying to legitimize miracle as a valid logical explanation, bypassing even the common sense need for truthful eyewitness testimony and independent corroboration from multiple sources. > > And if you think the onus of providing scientific proof is NOT upon >you, through your sheer inability to do so, (or for lack of >scientific wit in this area,) then please hold your peace. > Only referee Viviana can command me to hold my peace. Milagrino's appeal for this red card is so obviously fake that if he were on our Xerrachea groundar, I would have complained that he is eating roddi. Eating roddi on our ground calls for stopping the game and going home with the ball, all the while shouting obscenities at each other. > > You are NOT doing any service to either science or humanity here >but causing upheavals, by your constant mocking of the subject >matter. > Joe Vaz, I humbly and respectfully note and reject your above opinion. Here is mine for you to reject, even with contempt if you like. I consider it my inalienable right and duty to think freely, and express myself fully and forthrightly in any public forum that I participate in. And yes, I do believe I am doing a service to Science and humanity, as much as you believe you are by spreading your gospel. I do believe however that you are doing a service to mankind. Cheers, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet =================================================================== For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
