goanet-digest Tuesday, August 27 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4242
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[Goanet] Funeral Service at St Inez Church Panjim 30.8.2002
Re: [Goanet] NEWS: No tourism, please! We are Indians, says VHP
Re: [Goanet] NEWS: No tourism, please! We are Indians, says VHP
Re: [Goanet] Latin Church in India: Another myth of Portuguese first?
Re: [Goanet] 800 march with Osmitai Jyot
[Goanet] Many told us they were waiting their whole life to see this.
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Re: [Goanet] Latin Church in India: Sopara+Nala Sopara
[Goanet] SCHEME TO ELIMINATE STRAY ANIMAL MENACE
[Goanet] Corruption In Panchayats - EDITORIAL in The Navhind Times.
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:51:52 -0700
From: "rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Funeral Service at St Inez Church Panjim 30.8.2002
Tereziniha Fernandes, wife of late Celestino Rafel Fernandes (C.R) ,
(ex Nirobi ) Passed away in Dubai on 25th August 2002.
Mother of Raul , Marlene and Matilda / Mother in law of Vilma , Clyde and
Eugene .Grandmother of Cassandra , Raul jr , Christopher , Dylan , Andrea
and Shaun (Dubai )
The Funeral Cortege will leave the residence at La Campal Colony Miramar at
3.30pm on Friday 30 August 2002 for Funeral Service at St Inez Church Panjim
followed by burial at St Inez Cemetery.
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fwd- rene
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Date: 27 Aug 2002 21:05:24 -0000
From: "Rohit Shukla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] NEWS: No tourism, please! We are Indians, says VHP
Can we look forward to the VHP meeting the same fate as the
Taliban in Afghanistan soon? Even the Gods would be pleased.
Rohit
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 Frederick Noronha wrote :
>o tourism, please! We are Indians, says VHP
>
>By Deepshikha Ghosh, Indo-Asian News Service
>
>New Delhi, Aug 26 (IANS) An influential Hindu group has declared
>a virtual
>war on the country's tourism industry, saying the government
>should only
>encourage tourists wanting to visit holy places.
>
>The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), linked to the ruling Bharatiya
>Janata Party
>(BJP), contends that New Delhi should focus on wooing tourists to
>its
>religious centres rather than promote luxury or adventure
>tourism.
>
>
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Date: 27 Aug 2002 21:05:40 -0000
From: "Rohit Shukla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] NEWS: No tourism, please! We are Indians, says VHP
Can we look forward to the VHP meeting the same fate as the
Taliban in Afghanistan soon? Even the Gods would be pleased.
Rohit
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 Frederick Noronha wrote :
>o tourism, please! We are Indians, says VHP
>
>By Deepshikha Ghosh, Indo-Asian News Service
>
>New Delhi, Aug 26 (IANS) An influential Hindu group has declared
>a virtual
>war on the country's tourism industry, saying the government
>should only
>encourage tourists wanting to visit holy places.
>
>The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), linked to the ruling Bharatiya
>Janata Party
>(BJP), contends that New Delhi should focus on wooing tourists to
>its
>religious centres rather than promote luxury or adventure
>tourism.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:24:27 +0100
From: "Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Latin Church in India: Another myth of Portuguese first?
I must thank Prof. Teotonio R. de Souza for the valuable inputs he has given
in his post of August 26. I'll come to this point a little later.
First of all, however, may I be permitted to state that what I wrote earlier
was by no means intended to be or represent "another myth of Portuguese
first". It reflected my genuine desire not to let pass in silence a date
which I consider important for the history of Goa - August 22 - but in the
process I acknowledge having committed the mistake of saying that the Mass
celebrated on the Angediva island on August 22, 1500 was THE FIRST
LATIN-RITE CATHOLIC MASS ON INDIAN (AND ASIAN) SOIL, instead of saying that
it was THE FIRST LATIN-RITE CATHOLIC MASS IN THE TERRITOTY THAT IS NOW THE
STATE OF GOA.
I had already come to this conclusion a day before Dr. de Souza's post. In
fact, on the 25th I said the following in a private post to a goanet member
who contacted me:
>It is not a hundred percent certain that "the first ever Catholic
Latin-rite Mass in Goa, in India and >in the whole East" was the one which
was celebrated by the Fanciscans at Angediva on August >22, 1500. In what is
now Goa, yes, definitely. But, as regards India and the whole East, it is
most >probably not true because it is known that:
>
>(a) A certain French Franciscan priest by the name of Jordan Catalani de
Severac found >Christians (whether "Catholics" it is not clear) in the
region of Thane (north of Mumbai) and >northwards and even a church
dedicated to St. Thomas at a place named Sapora (in or near >Gujarat) around
1321 A.D.;
>
>(b) Pope John XXII, by his bull "Venerabili Fratri Jordano" of August 21,
1329 created a >Catholic latin-rite diocese based in Quilon (in today's
Kerala) but with jurisdiction apparently >throughout the western coast of
India and appointed Fr. Jordan Catalani de Severac its first >Bishop;
>
>(c) Bishop Jordan was stoned to death at Thane by the Muslims in or around
1336, whereupon >the See of Quilon remained vacant for centuries and it is
not known how many churches there >were in the vast territory of that
diocese, their locations, and whether there were priests to >perform the
religious duties - Holy Mass, baptisms, matrimony, burial services, etc.
>
>
Dr.Teotonio R. de Souza has now given us more information and even indicated
two books as reference sources for those who may wish to deepen their
acquaintance with the first Latin Church in India. This is indeed a very
important service he has rendered at least to me and, as said at the start
of this post, I am grateful to him.
Jorge de Abreu Noronha
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From: Teotonio R. de Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:31 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Latin Church in India: Another myth of Portuguese first?
«YESTERDAY, AUGUST 22, 2002 WAS THUS THE DAY OF THE 502nd ANNIVERSARY OF THE
FIRST LATIN-RITE CATHOLIC MASS ON INDIAN (AND ASIAN) SOIL.» (Jorge de Abreu
Noronha)
With reference to the above info that appeared on Goanet a couple of days
ago, I wish to draw attention to some developments in European Church
history of the 13th and 14th centuries that brought Latin Church to the East
as a result of the actitivities of the Franciscan and Dominican Orders a
couple of centuries before the arrival of the Portuguese on the scene. The
Papacy took this opportunity to establish diplomatic links with the great
Khan (Mongol) as a strategy of crusades to win ally on the rear. The
archdiocese of Khanbaliq was established on this occasion. John de Monte
Corvino, Jordan Catalani de Severac, Odoric Pordenone, John of Marignoli
from Florence are the best known missionary figures in this venture. They
passed through India and established missionary outposts in India. Jordan
was a Dominican and Frenchman from Severac. Pope of Avignon named him Latin
Bishop of Quilon (Episcopus Columbensis). In his travel correspondence
published as "Mirabilia Descripta" he mentions small Christian communities
on the Northwest coast of India, and refers to 10,000 Catholics and
appreciates the quality of their faith and also to difficulties they faced
under the Muslim rulers. Jordan visited South India and mentions about
quarrels between the Christians of St. Thomas and the Jews. But it is from
John of Marignoli that we have more details about the Latin Church of St.
George at Quilon where he spent nearly a year and half. He celebrated the
Easter of 1348 there.
The rise of Timur and the advance of Islam in the East, as well as the
problems of schism in the Western Church put an end to the missionary
efforts of the Latin church in the East during this period.
Those needing more info about the First Latin Church in India (Asia) could
consult:
A.M. Mundadan, "History of Christianity in India", Vol. 1 ( Bangalore, 1989)
or "Christianity in India: A History in Ecumenical Perspective" ed. by H.C.
Perumalil, C.M.I. and E.R. Hambye, S.J. (Allepey, 1972),
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:16:27 +0000
From: "Tim de Mello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] 800 march with Osmitai Jyot
Please oblige me.
I may be totally off-base here but I could not help noticing that this
Mhadei issue seems to be spear-headed and supported by (only?) Hindu Goans.
Is the future of the Mandovi not an all encompassing Goan issue affecting
all Goans?
Again, please pardon me if I am mis-reading this report.
AND PLEASE TELL ME I'M WRONG.
Tim de Mello
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Ontario, CANADA
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:16:01 -0700
From: "rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Many told us they were waiting their whole life to see this.
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MESSAGE BY THE ORGANIZING COMMITTEE
Celebrated for the second time in Portugal, World Goa Day has found a
fertile ground to grow and expand itself. Last year we only had a lunch,
with some 80 persons present, but there was big discussion about Goan
Identity and other aspects related to our motherland. The great interest
shown by the Portuguese (and international) press also proved that many
other people also admire Goan culture.
This made us step forward to a greater celebration of Goa Day in 2002. We
joined hands (all six associations of Goa, Daman and Diu here in Portugal)
and formed an organizing committee, which worked out, in great
collaboration, this year's programme. The above report describes well the
success these events had, but besides having achieved great attendances, the
most important thing in which we had success was to pass the message of
unity and community spirit, at least on World Goa Day. More than a
commemoration closed upon our community, we had the pleasure to show
Portugal our rich traditions and our great culture, besides discussing Goa
and Goans, the Goan Diaspora and, also by traveling to the past, the Future
of Goa. Many people congratulated us for this great message we are passing,
started in 1999 by Rene Barreto. Many told us they were waiting their whole
life to see this.
All these aspects gave us even more energy to begin preparations for 2003
celebrations of World Goa Day in Portugal - "Dia de Goa, Damão e Diu 2003".
Joining hands once again and with all the suggestions and ideas that were
given to us, we will be giving the example one more time to Goans in
Portugal and around the world: Unity is not only necessary, but it's also
possible.
Constantino Hermanns Xavier
(World Goa Day coordinator in Portugal)
Associação de Amigos de Goa, Damão e Diu, Represented by Prof. Doctor
Domingos Xavier Viegas; Associação Fraternidade Damão-Diu e Simpatizantes;
Represented by Fr. António Colimão; Casa de Goa, Represented by Dr. Viterbo
Rego; SURYÁ, Movimento Cultural e Ecológico de Goa, Represented by Doctor
Filipe Monteiro; Associação Recreativa e Cultural Indo-Portuguesa - ARCIP,
Represented by Valentim Mascarenhas; Clube Vasco da Gama, Represented by Dr.
Lopes Pereira; Eng. Hernâni Mourão, (co-founder of the commemorations)
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GoaNews
http://www.goanews.com/glabreu1.htm
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www.supergoa.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:40:45 -0400
From: Venantius J Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Latin Church in India: Sopara+Nala Sopara
Hello Jorge,
Upon reading the para below in your post, I remembered being at Nala Sopara
years ago on a sketching trip. Its a short distance from Vasai on the Virar
train. It probably is the same place.
You may find this link of interest.
http://www.geocities.com/unitedit/
The sopara link is below.
http://www.geocities.com/unitedit/places/Sopara/sopara.htm
Venantius
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Jorgede Abreu Noronha wrote on Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:24:27 +0100
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>>(a) A certain French Franciscan priest by the name of Jordan Catalani de
>Severac found >Christians (whether "Catholics" it is not clear) in the
>region of Thane (north of Mumbai) and >northwards and even a church
>dedicated to St. Thomas at a place named Sapora (in or near >Gujarat) around
>1321 A.D.;
>
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Venantius J Pinto
664 West 163 Street, #57
New York, NY 10032-4527
212.928.3955
W: 212.237.7406
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:44:59 +0500
From: "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] SCHEME TO ELIMINATE STRAY ANIMAL MENACE
GOVERNMENT HAS PREPARED SCHEME TO ELIMINATE STRAY ANIMAL MENACE: AG
Advocate General Atmaram Nadkarni today (Aug 27) told the Panaji Bench of
the Bombay High Court that Goa Government had prepared a scheme for
elimination of the stray animal menace and that the entire details would be
submitted to the High Court by an Affidavit.
The Bench comprising of Justice S. Radhakrishnan and Justice PV Hardas then
adjourned till Monday the final hearing on the Public Interest Litigation
filed by the Convenor of "People for Elimination of Stray Troubles"
(P.E.S.T), regarding the Stray Animal Menace on the roads and public places.
Appearing on behalf of the petitioner Adv. Aires Rodrigues stated that the
population of stray dogs/cattle in Goa has reached alarming dangerous
proportions and the inaction on the part of the Government is a matter of
concern.
Adv. Norma Alvares appearing for the Animal welfare groups submitted that
the situation was under control at places covered by the current scheme.
The Bench told the Advocate General that the proposed Government scheme
should cover entire State.
The Petitioner has in the petition urged the Court to order and direct the
Government to discharge their obligatory responsibilities under the
respective Acts for the confinement or elimination of stray dogs/cattle and
for preventing and checking the spread of dangerous diseases and accidents.
The petition further seeks suitable financial compensation to be paid to
the legal heirs/families of persons who lose a member of the family as the
consequence of bites/accidents caused by strays and that financial
compensation should also be provided for medical expenses to the victims of
dog-bite/stray cattle accidents.
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:58:21 +0530
From: Goa Desc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Corruption In Panchayats - EDITORIAL in The Navhind Times.
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& circulated by Goa Civic & Consumer Action Network
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THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT to the Goa Panchayati Raj Act to disqualify
the sarpanch who does not comply with any order of the directorate of
panchayats
perhaps needs a rethink. The sarpanchas are a representative of the people
and they
are elected to the office by the other representatives of the people. It is
of course
a matter of increasing concern that a growing number of sarpanchas have not
shown the kind of dedication to social service and development of the villages
that is expected of them; that there are complaints of favouritism against
them;
that they are issuing licences and using the panchayats for their material
gains.
Civil and criminal action needs to be taken against such errant sarpanchas.
But certainly that action should be democratic in nature. The directorate
is an
extension of the state administration and a bureaucratic body should not have
the right to take action against an elected representative of the people.
Entrusting the task of punitive action against an elected representative to
the
directorate will be an infringement on the democratic right of the electorate.
It is something like state administration penalising a legislator. Even in
the case
of state administration contemplating to take any action against the
legislator,
the Speaker of the assembly is informed of it. The directorate of panchayats
guides the functioning of the panchayats, but it certainly does not mean
that it
should be free to take action against elected members.
Instead of authorising the directorate to proceed against the erring members
or officials of the panchayats, the state government should get down to the
task
of helping the panchayats evolve a democratic mechanism to penalise the erring
sarpanchas. Certainly none will object to penalising an erring or corrupt
panchayat member, but it should have to be done keeping intact the dignity
of the panchayats as the basic houses of democracy. The action should
in no way appear to be an attack on the status and prestige of the
panchayati raj institutions.
The 73rd amendment to the Panchayati Raj Act brought about during the
rule of Rajiv Gandhi proposed to provide a welcome devolution of financial
and administrative powers to the panchayats. With growing financial and
administrative powers it would be naive to believe that a section of panchayat
members would not indulge in corrupt practices or behave in erratic manner.
The elected members of panchayats are not heavenly creatures which are
forbidden to indulge in corrupt practices. The members participating in the
debate over the proposed amendment in the state assembly rightly expressed
their anger and disgust at the functioning of the panchayats and came out
with the suggestions to make them accountable for the illegalities in their
areas.
But how to hold the panchayats responsible and whom to make them accountable
to for their actions are the two major issues. The state government needs to
re-evaluate the functioning of the panchayats and plug the loopholes for
corrupt practices.
The legislators were agitated over sarpanchas not bothering to demolish the
illegal constructions, even after being ordered by the directorate of
panchayats.
The directorate instead of pursuing the administrative matters on its own
could well involve the panchayats.
For strengthening the functioning of the panchayats, the government has
also fixed
a monthly salary of Rs 6500 for the zilla panchayat chiefs, Rs 5500 for
vice chairpersons
and Rs 2500 for sarpanchas. But the government must ensure that the salaries
are paid only to those members who are not employed elsewhere. One of the
members
rightly sought to know whether the panchas and sarpanchas employed elsewhere
would get this benefit.
There is no denying the fact that panchayats have become hotbeds for
corrupt practices.
With so much of financial and administrative powers, the members tend to
misuse
their position. The manner in which the members invest in the electoral
process
for getting elected to the panchayats is clear indication of the financial and
political clout of these local self-bodies. The Goa government must introduce
checks at every step to such misuse.
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Editorial in The Navhind Times 21/8/02 page 8
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