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Tariq, I hope you get some comfort and satisfaction from quoting what Ben Gurion said 85 years ago and Menachim Begin said 60 years ago, while ignoring what Ehud Barak said just 4 years ago. It is amazing to me that anyone would even consider locating a Jewish homeland in Uganda rather than their Biblical homeland. Anyway, all that was decided by the UN in 1947, making anything before that a moot issue. The brutal fact is that it is the militant Arabs and Palestinians who defied the UN sponsored partition of 1947, tried to "push the Jews into the sea" and failed, and will not accept a 2 state configuration to this day. Until the Palestinians are willing to cease hostilities and negotiate, the low-grade conflict is doomed to continue. Tariq Siddiqui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:########################################################################## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ########################################################################## --- Mario Goveia wrote: > > Israel doesn't claim all of Palestine as a "historical > right", so this whole line of reasoning is bogus. > They accepted a small slice in 1947 as part of the UN > attempt to provide them with a homeland after the > Holocaust. Perhaps you were never aware of David Ben-Gurion. In 1918 Ben-Gurion described the future "Jewish state's" frontiers in details as follows: "to the north, the Litani river [in southern Lebanon], to the northeast, the Wadi 'Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into Sinai at least up to Wadi al-'Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan" (Expulsion of the Palestinians by Nur Masalha) Or perhaps you were not aware of when he wrote: "The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today--but the boundaries of the Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them." (The Birth of Israel: Myths and Realities by Simha Flapan) As for the partition of Palestine. Let us see what Menachim Begin, later to become Prime Minister of Israel said: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (The Iron Wall by Avi Shlaim) > > Aren't you even aware that Jews and Muslims inhabited > Palestine since the Old Testament days and both trace > their origins to Abraham? The European Jews who had > survived the Nazis then fled to Israel during and > after WW-II. So, what is this nonsense about ALL the > Israelis being Europeans? Your example of placing > Israel in Uganda is also bogus, because, unlike > Palestine, Uganda had no ties to Jews in any way, > shape or form. You are correct, all the Israels are not Ashkenazi or European Jews. Some of them are Sephardic Jews. But neither of them lived in Palestine in any significant minority. At the turn of the century there were estimated to be only 70,000 Jews in Palestine. Due to immigration from Europe, these numbers swelled to 806,000 by the end of WWII. So Tim is correct. As for Tim's remarks on Uganda, they cannot be claimed as "bogus" since there was a plan to settle Jews in Uganda. Efforts were also made to settle Jews in Iraq, Libya, Argentina and the Jewish Autonomous Republic in the USSR. None were accepted by the European Jews, who preferred Palestine. -Tariq __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com