-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | | Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- "A. Veronica Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > GOA IS ON SALE. > > I, while referring to this disturbing statement, described the > gathered people how Goa is in the process of another Palestine > making not by the Jews scattered all over the globe but by the > non-Goans who like real Jews, coming to Goa and with the help > of our Christian and Hindu local politicians from BJP & > Congress parties purchasing Goan lands and properties and > becoming naturalized Goans. In this way they are capturing > every part of Goa and altering demographic structure of Goa. > Mario observes: > Veronica, > In the interest of full disclosure, I am now an American, but when I was born and grew up in India, I was 100% Indian whose ancestry happened to be from Goa, from Bardez, from a picturesque backwater village with the grandiose name of Salvador do Mundo. Amazing roots. Always made me feel proud. > I find your comments ironic, coming from an expatriate Goan who doesn't even visit Goa unless it suits her (or him, can't tell), like me. The last time I checked, Goa has been part of India for 45 years, and any Indian could choose to live in Goa and buy property there, and didn't have to be "naturalized". > Are non-Goans coming to Goa any different from us Goans, like you for example, migrating from Goa as and when it suited us? > I also think your gratuitous reference to Jews and Palestine is inappropriate and doesn't even fit this issue. As any Christian would know, Jews were in the area called Gallilee since the old testament, before there was any such place called Palestine. It would be more appropriate to liken Jews scattered around the world to us Goans scattered around the world. Many Jews, like many Goans, have no intentions of moving back to Goa. I always encourage all Goans to at least buy property there before it's all gone - Goa's not all that big relative to India. > Veronica writes: > > In late nineteenth century with the backing of Britain, Jews > had their Council in Basle, Switzerland where they discussed > and decided to have them their own homeland and in the name of > Biblical statement of Chosen People by God and Promised Land > they took a decision to make Arab Palestine as their homeland > by uprooting local peace loving Palestinian Arabs from their > lands, settlements and residences. The process then of > dePalestianisation of Palestine started in the beginning of > 20th century by way of purchasing the Palestinian lands by the > Jews coming from all around the globe mainly the West and > Africa. > Mario observes: > Did you just forget a little incident in-between called the Holocaust? As I recall, the state of Israel that the British and the UN decided to form as a homeland for Jews was a smaller part ot Gallilee than it is today, and the Arabs got the larger share. However, this is more comparable to the partition of India and Pakistan than anything going on in Goa. If your Palestinian friends had accepted the partition, they would have had more land, as well as transformed the area into an economic miracle working side-by-side with their Semite brothers, the Jews. Instead they live in squalid camps, in concrete houses that look like palaces compared to any Indian make-shift jhopdi in Dharavi. > Veronica writes: > > The Jews coming to Palestine were very skillful, intelligent, > crooks, cunnings, murderers, traitors, ruthless, hard hearted > as against docile Palestinians and financially richer than > Palestinian Arabs. > Mario responds: > Actually Veronica, if you know any Jews and Palestinian Arabs as I do (close friends and business partners), you would know that they are both ethnically Semites and are both skillful and intelligent, and very hard working. I think they both have the same proportion of "crooks, cunnings, murderers, traitors, ruthless, hard hearted" etc. and if you think the Palestinian Arabs are "docile" you must have been living on some other planet since 1947, and have not heard of the 60 year attempt by the "docile" Palestinian Arabs to "push the Jews into the sea" by force, without any attempt to negotiate with either the British or the Jews before 5 Arab countries attacked Israel in 1947-48. Of course, everytime they tried, they lost more land, which Israel will no longer return without any guaranty of their peace and security. The last time I checked, the radical Palestinians like Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad had no interest in living in peace with Israel. > Veronica writes: > > By the time the last world war got over good portion of > Palestine was purchased by the Jews and thus they became the > owners of Palestine. This helped them to capture full control > of Palestine in the process of establishment of the State of > Israel. Later on it is history. > Mario observes: > If Israel has "full control" of and owns "all" of Palestine that would be news to even the Israelis. I thought Israel would like nothing better than to be left alone by the Arabs. Isn't that why they are building a wall, which I think they should have done in 1948, after they defeated 5 Arab armies simultaneously. > However, though I think your bringing Palestine into this discussion makes no sense, I agree 100% and have encouraged Goans from all over the world to invest in Goa, as I have done myself, and hope to do more. That would keep those dangerous and dastardly "other Indians" out of Goa. However, the Goans who live in Goa find everything too expensive (compared to what?) and others are buying everything in sight. Sad. > Veronica writes: > > Now coming back to Goa. Our greatest misfortune was > not the fact that Portugal ruled over us till 19th December > 1961, our greatest misfortune was not Nehrus Bharat annexed > Goa by force without taking into consideration the opinion of > Goans who mattered the most. > Mario observes: > Maybe I'm too young to remember all the details, but I remember several members of my extended family who believed that the Portuguese had overstayed their welcome, and needed to go back home like the British and the French. That "Estado da India" nonsense had gone on long enough. We couldn't even visit Goa because our family was on some Portuguese "blacklist", which I, as an Indian kid, thought should have been called a "brownlist". > Veronica writes: > > Our greatest misfortune was that in the first general > election in Goa MGP came to power and Bandodkar became the > Chief Minister of Goa. From here all our ills started because > MGP under the leadership of Bandodkar decided to deGoanise > Goa. The day MGP got the majority of Seats in the Goa > Assembly Election that very first day the deGoanisation > process started in full swing and this process was directed > especially against Christians in Goa. MGP and Bandodkar > including all his MLAs started showing dislike for Goa, its > culture, its tradition, its language, Christians and
> everything that is genuine Goan. The illegitimate Son of Goa > started legitimizing everything and everyone illegitimate in > Goa. > Mario observes: > Veronica, I checked and found that Bandodkar's parents were married to each other when he was born, so how are you calling him "illegitimate"? Also, he was a Goan, the same kind of people you are asking to re-invest in Goa to keep all those terrible Indians out of Goa. > Veronica writes: > > That Bandodkar came on the political scene of Goa > and became Chief Minister of Goa was the only historical > mistake that happened in Goa. The current chief minister of > Goa Mr. Rane was Bandodkars colleague and supporter and being > so he is following into the footsteps of his mentor Bahuji. > This Rane will never do anything good for Goa and Goans. He > dislike Goans, he dislike Christians as did Bandodkar and for > this reason he got married to a non-Goan girl and on top of it > is taking pride in non-Goan wife whose real interests are > anti-Goan and anti-Goa and in this direction she is pushing > her already anti-Goan husband whose ancestry is deeply > embedded in Maharastra/Gujarat. > Mario responds: > Veronica, I don't know about you, but many Goans, even Christians, have married non-Goans. Frankly, I find them just as nice as any Goan, Christian, Hindu or Muslim. In fact, if you have followed the verbal battles on Goanet, I'm not very happy with many Goans whom you would probably approve of. > Veronica writes: > > Today the Goa that we are witnessing is no more what > it was earlier. Outsiders are become kings and queens in Goa, > they are capitalizing on the weaknesses of Goans. > Mario asks: > Veronica, It it quite obvious that you are very bitter and depressed with what is going on in Goa. However, how do you propose to change all that you are unhappy about, when you don't even live in Goa? I feel so sorry that history has passed you by, and Goa is no longer that idyllic "Estado da Goa" with picturesque red dirt roads, shacks in Calangute, sanitation pigs that were magically transformed into succulent sorpotel, chickens in the back yard that were magically transformed into delicious xacuti, ferries across the mandovi and Zuari, bullock carts, oil lamps, wells, feni, fish and xit kodi with home made miskut. Oh, for the good old days! Now, we're just as bad as the rest of India. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | | | | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --------------------------------------------------------------------------