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Dear Mario,
I enjoyed reading your comments.
1. Yes, Bangladesh is a separate country. I think
that this is not new information. The Assamese were
extremely upset at having illegal migrants put on the
electoral rolls as well as by the slums created by
lakhs of these settlers. I happened to link the slums
issue in Assam that I happened to read about to slums
in Goa. I see that this has caused a good bit of
confusion.
2. No, I am not contemptuous of business people and
development, capitalistic or socialist. I was not
being contemptuous, period, when I shared my list of
observations. I gave my simple list, as I hope that
you or any other Goanet member would do. Why slums
exist came up as a sub-topic. Everyone is free to
decide for themselves whether there is an element of
greed and exploitation, capitalistic or socialist, in
the continuation of slum conditions in today's booming
and wealthy India.
3. I feel that you, not me, should offer solutions
since you seem to be knowledgeable about capitalism,
socialism, the old and new economic history of India
etc. I can't see what good my giving theoretical
and speculative solutions to such a large and
complex problem like slums can do. I noted some
major problems in Goa as I saw it. Now, I can only
contribute my own time, money, and resources to what
our group here in California decides is a good
contribution to the well-being of the Goan community,
year by year. I should put my money where my mouth
is. That's my solution, something modest that I can
live with. Otherwise, I could rightly be accused of
coming to give observations, criticism and advice
without actually doing anything to help.
Filomena
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> --- Filomena Giese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "11. Slums in Goa: While in Jaipur, I read a
> Times
> > of India account of the lakhs of illegal
> > Bangladeshi migrants entering Assam and the
> > northeastern states.
> >
> > The Assamese and other local people were
> thoroughly
> > alarmed but government officials were taking no
> > action because these illegal migrants would
> > constitute a vote bank for them.
> >
> Mario observes:
> >
> The last time I checked Bangladesh was a sovereign
> country, which would make Bangladeshi's entering
> Assam
> illegal immigrants, unable to vote.
> >
> Filomena writes:
> >
> > Too farfetched for Goa, I thought. Such things
> only
> > happen in other parts of India. Imagine my dismay
> > to discover that slums of migrants exist in Goa
> > too.
> >
> Mario observes:
> >
> Filomena, I don't know where you live, but similar
> slums have existed in India for decades and exist in
> almost every less developed country, including those
> that have socialist economic systems which seek to
> bring everyone down towards the lowest common
> denominator, except for the ruling elite, of course.
> >
> Again, the last time I checked, the migrants to Goa
> were from other parts of India, which would make
> them
> legal migrants, following their natural instincts to
> work and earn a living in order to survive.
> >
> Yes, in Goa, the "vote bank" theory would apply.
> >
> Filomena writes:
> >
> > If I listed problems I noted in Goa, it is to
> share
> > reality as I saw it. If I were to propose
> > solutions, you can bet that they would be
> > compassionate. I care about the poor. They don't
>
> > deserve to live in slums in today's wealthy India.
>
> > Goa doesn't deserve to be dotted with slums
> because
> > politicians and business people, as well as the
> > middle class, in other states as well as in Goa
> can
> > profit from them. Slums are not caused by
> > democracy. They are caused by excessive greed and
>
> > unchecked capitalistic greed.
> >
> Mario observes:
> >
> Finally, we are getting to the meat and potatoes.
> The
> solutions to the pesky problem of slums and why they
> exist and what Filomena would do about them, which
> is
> what I am eager to hear.
> >
> We already know she is contemptuous of business
> people, the middle class and "greedy" capitalists.
> That leaves government bureaucrats and slum dwellers
> assuming rural farmers are more like business people
> in how they make a living.
> >
> But does Filomena know she is in august company?
> The
> Nehru family that controlled India for 50 wasted
> years
> of socialism right after independence had the same
> contempt for business people and greedy capitalists
> that Filomena apparently has?
> >
> Does Filomena know that "official" contempt for
> business people and capitalists was finally
> jettisoned
> by Manmohan Singh's new-style Congress, reluctantly
> aided and abetted by the BJP [and obstructed at
> every
> turn by the communists in the ruling coalition] and
> that throwing the mindless socialism of the Nehru
> years into the thrash-heap of history where it
> rightfully belongs is what has created the economic
> boom in India that is amazing the rest of the world?
> >
> I don't know what solution Filomena has in mind, but
> I
> think we need fewer bureaucrats and more business
> people and more capitalists with enlightened
> self-interest, so that they can create more jobs at
> higher wages so that the current slum dwellers can
> afford better housing and better schools for their
> kids and grow themselves out of their current
> condition and look towards other amenities of life
> that India's socialism failed to provide for them.
> >
>
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