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Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > At the risk of being moderated for being off-Goan- > topic... I think just discussing this issue on this > forum helps readers understand that there is > an injustice being perpretrated on a segment of > society who have done NOTHING WRONG. There are a > few who have stated that they do not wish to have > this topic stuffed in their face but the majority > of the readers will (hopefully) come to the > realization that it is time to investigate the > basis of their long held beliefs. That in itself is > a step towards changing attitudes. > > Who among us would condone the injustices wrought by > previous generations through slavery and later > apartheid. How can we tolerate a similar injustice > towards homosexuals? Mario observes: > I see a couple of interesting trends on Goanet emanating primarily among those with a left-wing bent that needs to be nipped in the bud. > a) They allude to what they THINK someone has said, without referring to the person by name. > b) They then feel free to misrepresent what the person has actually said. > The statement above by Kevin, who seems to have become an emotional advocate for the homosexual lifestyle, is a specific example, leaving out my name and what I had said on this issue in an attempt to redefine what I had said the way he wants to. > First of all, I am the only one who referred to homosexuals using the "stuffed in my face" analogy, not the "few" that Kevin says. > Second of all, contrary to the insinuation above, what I actually said was as follows: > "As with private religious beliefs I have no problems with what consenting adults of any gender or combination of genders do in private as long as they eschew stuffing it in my face." [I did not even use a smiley face, though, believe me, I was tempted for just a second:-))] > and > "I, too, am glad for all of them, as it must be difficult to be gay in straight-laced Goa." > I had previously said I have homosexual friends of both genders and we respect each others beliefs without any cross-belief "stuffing" going on:-)) > Can anyone who understands English interpret this, as Kevin has done, as me tolerating "...a similar injustice towards homosexuals." Apparently, similar to previous generations condoning slavery and apartheit. > I don't know of anyone other than white South Africans that condoned apartheit. For anyone who has read about slavery through the ages, it had nothing to so with race and everything to do with subjugation and humiliation of ones enemies, with the side benefit of cheap labor. The Romans enslaved people from all their conquered territories, regardless of their race. There are reports of Africans enslaving Africans to this day in places like Sudan. Perhaps Kevin needs to reconsider his attitude towards THEM. > Kevin continues: > > This is not an issue for a single or group of > activists to take up to win. It should be the > mission of every person who cherishes human rights > to look at their own attitudes and act > accordingly. > Mario asks: > Kevin, Based on what I have said above, what more do you want from me? Is my "mission" incomplete according to you? Or would you like homosexuals to "stuff" their lifestyles in my face and make me like it? I don't let heterosexuals do this, so I am an equal opportunity objector to lifestyle stuffing:-)) > Kevin writes: > > Gay Pride Parades are becoming more effective at > showing the public that homosexuality is nothing to > be ashamed of but they run the risk of alienating > those who wish not to have the issue 'stuffed in > their face'. > Mario observes: > As with all parades, I may only get ticked off if the parade route blocks me from where I am going that day, with no alternative route:-)) No one who has actually watched a Gay Pride Parade in any large city would come away with a positive attitude towards this community, because they are typically dominated by the so-called "drag queens", rarely by respectable gays in committed relationships who have no interest in stuffing their lifestyle in anyone's face. > Kevin writes: > > Homosexuals have a vested interest in having their > side heard. It is up to the heterosexuals who > understand the issues involved to assist them win > this fight. Accepting homosexual rights has been > hailed as the 'apartheid' fight of our generation. > We need to convince those on 'our side of the > fence' that there is no risk and everything to be > gained by extending gays the same benefits we now > enjoy. > Mario observes: > I don't know about Goa, but homosexuals have had their side heard loud and clear in most of the west. I have no idea what homosexuals face in other countries, but, in the US, from a public policy viewpoint, the only "right" they do not have is to change the traditional and legal definition of the word "marriage", which is defined by law as the formalized union of a man and a woman, not a man and a man, a woman and a woman, a man and two or more women, a woman and two or more men, humans with non-humans, or any other permutation or combination anyone has come up with. For those unions we have alternate legal arrangements called "civil unions" and "domestic partnership agreements". > That hardly sounds like a hostile situation to me. > I realize that every individual has not yet accepted homosexuality, so Kevin should continue his "mission" to make it as acceptable as atheism and agnosticism to every living individual. > _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org