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http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/valentines/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In reponse to the Anthony M Barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> post on Jan 30, 2007: Mogal Tonybab, I thank you for the civil and dignified tone of your discussion with me. May there be many more of your tribe. My responses are under JC [1]Tony: < I may be totally wrong about Dr Gaitonde's contribution as a freedom (fighter) but what I find difficult to accept is his presence at a Portuguese party. A partying freedom figher is a bit too much for me.> JC: I do not know of the circumstances of the "Portuguese party", and do not even know IF it was a "Portuguese party" or just a party where Portuguese officials were present. (Having taken into account that ALL Goans for 2 decades pre-1961, atleast, were full Portuguese nationals. That is why they needed travel documents to enter India, and they were even denied seats at some professional colleges because of 'nationality') Having said that, I appreciate that you recognise that you 'may be totally wrong about Dr Gaitonde's contribution as a freedom fighter' === [2] Tony: <Dr Gaitonde leaving Goa due to some disillusionment is rubbish. So also if people chose to live in Goa it is because they are happy with their living conditions or opportunities for self-expression here or due to lack of suitable opportunities. If they claim that they live here due to their LOVE FOR GOA that is also rubbish.> JC: wrt to Dr. Gaitonde's disillusionment or not ... I ask you How You are so sure as to call it "rubbish". That is why I ask again: Do you know of the meeting in North Goa which handed the crown to Bandodkar? Did this have anything to do with his disillusionment? BTW: I know lots of Goans who continue to live in Goa .... because they Love Goa. Why do you believe it to be rubbish? === [3]Tony: <If I am not mistaken Dr Gaitonde did not serve a term in Salazar's prison> JC: Tonybab, you will have to try very hard to convince me that when a person is 'arrested and deported', that he is not imprisoned ...but a Free person. === re: Telo Mascarenhas or Mohan Ranade [4] Tony: In fact they are two of the genuine fighters. JC: Would you please tell me on what basis you would call the above ..."genuine freedom fighters"? WHY were they arrested and what were they charged and sentenced for? === re: Dr. Gaitonde having opted to live in London as opposed to Portugal where (as Tony alleges) he had good connections [5] Tony : He took his Portuguese connection to London. JC: I regret to inform you, Tonybab that (smiley or not), you are plain unaware wrt much of Dr. Gaitonde === re: the ferry incident where the Portuguese military Chief came to him (Dr. Gaitonde)and "APOLOGIZED for the behaviour of the Government servants, and requested the people to board and proceed with the crossing." [6] Tony : < That was perhaps because of his good connection with the (Portuguese) army chief> JC: Perhaps and Perhaps not. I am not prepared to speculate. My only question was whether one would expect such a situation to occur in Goa circa 2007 with the present military chief? In conclusion: It is possible Tonybab that we both do not know ALL the facts of the case (or cases). We can make some educated assumptions but (I submit) not uncorroborated dogmatic statements. I too found it very strange that Dr. Gaitonde left Goa after being involved in the struggle for freedom from Salazar's Portugal. That did not make him less of a Goan or less of a Freedom Fighter. BTW: There are other people who did that before 1961 ...way before 1961. i.e. Dr. Froilano de Mello and Fanchu Loyola Furtado. There are a number of Goans who have left behind their beloved Goa (some for good). Not all of them have left for better opportunities. Some left because they felt powerless to reverse the (impending or prevailing) physical degradation of their homeland. To those Goans, Murphina's Law was proven right. It is all about Poixe. Kui! Trust me ...I know some of those Goans. http://www.colaco.net/1/froilano.htm http://www.colaco.net/1/FanchuLoyola.htm ps: am bcc copying this to Dr. Gaitonde's younger brother (do not wish to disturb him unless he wishes to be disturbed) with the best of good wishes jose