Dear Sam, Thank You for the concern for unrecognized civilians. Kind regards
stephen dias --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 27 November 2015 at 11:14, Sam Furtado <sfrainbo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > One must salute the supreme selfless sacrifice of soldiers, who leave > behind their entire family to suffer. > Onkar S. Chauhan > Regards, > > WHAT ABOUT THE WATCHMAN DOES HE NOT DESERVE BETTER COMFORTS, SALARY AND > PERKS ET AL, WHY ONLY INDIAN SOLDIERS, JUST BECAUSE THEY GUARD THE BORDER?? > > IS THE WATCHMAN NOT GUARDING YOUR HOUSE, SAY IF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT > A ROBBER OR A GANG OF THIEVES FORCEFULLY ENTERS YOUR HOUSE AND WAYLAY YOU > AND YOUR FAMILY EVEN KILL ALL OF YOU, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? IS THE WATCHMAN > NOT SACRIFICING HIS LIFE TO SAVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY? > > DOES THE WATCH MAN NOT PLAY A IMPORTANT ROLE IN PROTECTING HUMAN BEING > EVEN AT THE COST OF HIS LIFE AND SOUL........ > > SO WHY THIS BIG TALK ON INDIAN SOLDIERS, LAND AND PATRIOTISM ...........IN > THE EVENT OF REAL WAR THE INDIAN SOLDIERS COULD GET CONFUSED MISFIRING ON > TARGETS JUST AS THEY DID IN 1971 WAR BETWEEN INDIA AND PAKISTAN FIRING ON > POOR CIVILIANS RATHER THAN ON REAL TARGETS.. > > SO IS THE WATCHMAN A POOR COUSIN OF THE SOLDIER WHO GUARDS YOUR HOUSE AND > PROPERTY DAY AND NIGHT. DOES HE NOT DESERVE A BETTER DEAL, WHY ONLY INDIAN > SOLDIER.. > > AND WHAT ABOUT THE CIVIL SOCIETY WHO TOO ARE PLAYING A MAJOR ROLE FOR > QUEST OF SAFE LIFE......ALL THIS CRAPS OF YOURS BLOWING IN THE WIND... IS > ALL BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.....PULLING WOOL OVER OTHERS... > > THREE CHEERS TO STEVEN AND COMPANY AND OTHERS WHO HAVE PENNED THE LETTERS > APPROPRIATELY AND BEFITTING YOUR CONTEMPT, WHICH HOLDS NO PLACE IN TODAY'S > MODERN SOCIETY. > > Sam Furtado > ' > > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Dr. Onkar S. Chauhan <on...@nio.org> > wrote: > >> Dear Dias, >> >> >> >> I normally avoid your irrational messages sent to me unsolicited. The >> trailing message is one among these. In reply to your message, may I >> respectfully remind you that I am a citizen of India, and alike you I have >> been conferred full rights to employment throughout India, which I have >> earned through fair and open competition. Further, I pay taxes in the >> form of house taxes, excise duty, road tax and all other state taxes in Goa >> similar to you. Living in Goa for past over 31 years I am proud to be >> Goan Indian. Are you not an Indian? >> >> >> >> Your letter is a burning example of hate speech, and it does not >> undermine the role people like us are playing for the development of Goa >> and our India. Please be advised that I am the team who has helped the >> Govt. of Goa for CRZ demarcation, Mondovi Bride etc. What is your >> contribution to the development and progress of Goa. You were employed in >> a central govt Institution, and your full salary was born by the Govt. of >> India. >> >> >> >> I am amazed to learn that after paying all these taxes, I am still been >> able to transfer 95% percent at my salary to Delhi. Such comments are >> deplorable >> >> >> >> I am sorry that I entered in a debate. I did so because you marked the >> said mail to me. >> >> >> >> Please refrain from sending any mail to me in the future, because if one >> is not tolerant to the opinion of others, he has no right to send them any >> unsolicited mail. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Onkar S. Chauhan >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Disclaimer: This communication is confidential and is not an unsolicited >> commercial communication or spam. If you are not the intended recipient (or >> have received this communication in error) please notify the sender >> immediately and destroy the same. Any unauthorized disclosure; copying, >> distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited, and if done, >> will result in strict legal action. This message is not guaranteed to be >> complete or error free. No liability is assumed for any errors and/or >> omissions in the contents of this message. >> >> >> >> From: Stephen Dias [mailto:steve.dia...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 26 November 2015 08:05 >> To: Goanet; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! >> Cc: edi...@nizgoenkar.org; Sidharth Kuncalienker; Laxmikant Parsekar; >> manoharparrikar; mridula sinha; chief secretary goa; commissioner; Onkar >> Chauhan >> Subject: MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT MUST DECONGEST PANJIM FOR A SMART CITY >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> DEAR CHAUHAN >> >> >> >> Your letter created rift among people in the internet/GOANET. What myself >> and Sidharth, the present MLA of Panjim, were talking is just about the >> Smart City for Panjim development. >> >> My worry was that these defence establishment are creating problem for >> Panjim as well as to Goans and not for migrants who come to Goa like you >> who enjoy our hospitality. Do not border about the inconveniences cause to >> us, your salary 95% is perhaps transferred to Delhi where you come >> from, poor Goans have to pay through their nose, for your comforts with >> higher taxes for us on account of migrants menace. Only problem became >> when Sidharth deviated and gave support on military people and the >> civilians was put in low category. ( refer my letter to Sidarth). Even >> Parrikar who is our former MLA and Opposition Leader and now Defence >> Minister has argued and always fought in the assembly that these >> establishment must leave Panjim to give place for Panjimites for >> decongesting of city and also he has requested former Defence Minister A.K >> Antony of Congress but so called HIGH COMMAND whether BJP or Congress who >> did nothing to Goa's holistic plan. Even former Municipality Mayors like >> Ashok Naik and Surendra Furtado did so much and written many letters to Goa >> Government and to Parrikar to pursue the matter. At that point of time I >> started arguing it that civilians not only doctors, engineers scientists , >> professors but now I say, also nurses , technicians, workers who collect >> garbage and get diseases etec, farmers and all low paid poor people are >> suffering in Goa etc etec. >> >> Do you all think that Garbage collector, fire brigade personal, and >> politician’s car sirens seen everyday zooming on our roads, are they giving >> a good sleep to us? >> >> Now, since you pocked your nose into this affair when was not required, >> your sentiments on military, AC rooms, OROP which we are yet to get and not >> sure and may not get at all, etc, and we get I will salute you, but the >> issue of Panjim on defense establishment has blown up out of proportion by >> you and Sidharth. I have nothing wrong on military people who I am also >> concerned about the total welfare of all Indians and not section of the >> society but holistic development is required for everybody. >> >> I cannot and will never insult the soldiers as I am Indian as Military >> is also important to me and always will be. >> >> >> >> Stephen Dias, Dona Paula >> >> Concerned Senior Citizen of Goa. >> >> Date: 26th Nov 2015 >> >> >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:52:17 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Bernado Colaco < <mailto:ole_...@yahoo.co.uk> ole_...@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: " <mailto:goanet@lists.goanet.org> goanet@lists.goanet.org" < >> <mailto:goanet@lists.goanet.org> goanet@lists.goanet.org> >> Subject: [Goanet] WILL MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT BE SHUNTED OUT FROM >> PANJIM BY PARRIKAR BEFORE HIS BIRTHDAY? >> Message-ID: >> < <mailto: >> 2086658065.16869880.1448452337939.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> >> 2086658065.16869880.1448452337939.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> >> >> Shri Chauhan, >> Your nation was created by the British, who left it in misery. Then you >> came and invade our place and now tell us that your soldiers are >> sacrificing for Goa. In fact your soldiers are having a jolly good time in >> the Goans sunshine. >> B. Colaco >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Dear Dias, >> >> I am sad to read this message. With due regret I inform you that you have >> insulted the brave army men of the country. You are also getting OROP now. >> I feel one should be rather sensitive. The piece of land belongs to our >> nation which does provides all the facility to Goa as well. >> >> I feel you should respect the army and all other defense personnel who >> remain awake in hostile conditions for better part of their life. Please >> compare your salary and comfort of an AC rooms before commenting on others. >> >> One must salute the supreme selfless sacrifice of soldiers, who leave >> behind their entire family to suffer. >> >> Regards, >> >> Onkar S. Chauhan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jose >> >> 21:50 (9 hours ago) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to Goa's, me, Laxmikant, manoharparrikar, chief, mridula, mayor, >> Sidharth, Chauhan >> >> My dear Stephen, >> >> >> >> While I understand any prevailing frustrations, I was unhappy with the >> tone of your post, esp the heading. Accordingly, as much as I am ambivalent >> about the often gaseous and self-serving spouting of politicians, I believe >> that both Mr. Kuncalienkar and Mr. Chauhan have made very valid points. >> >> >> >> Surely, the citizens have to be appropriately consulted before land is >> taken away from them. However, one cannot and should not be offensive >> towards the very individuals who are charged with the responsibility of >> protecting us. >> >> >> >> That brings me to three other points: (1) Members of the armed forces are >> NOT the only ones who face dangers while the rest of us 'Sleep in Air >> Conditioned Comfort'. Doctors and other health care professionals also >> expose themselves to severe life-threatening infections every single day >> and night. And so do their families! Similarly, Garbage disposal , >> Electricity and Construction workers (to name a few) face enormous dangers >> for the rest of us. (2) It is important that we look after them too in a >> similar fashion. (3) Just imagine what sort of country (and Life) we would >> have had without ALL these 'workers'. >> >> >> >> The question is: When last have you heard a politician take up their >> (these workers) cause ? >> >> >> >> Thank you all for your attention. >> >> >> >> jc >> >> >> On Nov 25, 2015, at 5:20 AM, Chauhan OS <on...@nio.org> wrote: >> >> Dear Dias, >> >> I am sad to read this message. With due regret I inform you that you have >> insulted the brave army men of the country. You are also getting OROP now. >> I feel one should be rather sensitive. The piece of land belongs to our >> nation which does provides all the facility to Goa as well. >> >> I feel you should respect the army and all other defense personnel who >> remain awake in hostile conditions for better part of their life. Please >> compare your salary and comfort of an AC rooms before commenting on others. >> >> One must salute the supreme selfless sacrifice of soldiers, who leave >> behind their entire family to suffer. >> >> Regards, >> >> Onkar S. Chauhan >> >> <blockquote> >> >> >> PARRIKAR MUST GIVE PANJIM ITS DUE >> >> Dear Sidharth, >> Panjim M.L.A. >> >> >> ( reply to your mail) >> >> Thanking you very much for noting that I am a senior citizen and also >> recognizing my age and experience. >> You must realize that it is the hard work and sacrifice of the generation >> past which includes me and your dear father (when I consider him GREAT), >> that you are able to come in power and represent Panjim. Don’t go “GAGA” >> about the defense forces that the media and you politicians tend to put in >> high esteem and create an undue hype. >> For their contribution, if any, they get lots of taxes exemption, >> privileges, facilities for free medical and Hospital expenses, land etc etc. >> Today, these men have fought for their own benefits and got One Rank One >> Pension (OROP). They have insulted us and Mr. Manohar Parrikar in >> particular by burning their medals. >> As an inexperience youngster you may hold armed forces in esteem, but >> sadly you don’t seems to realize the sacrifices put by us (the civilians of >> India and Goa), which has made the generation next and these armed forces >> have a comfortable living, and get due compensation in terms of salary, >> perks and other facilities which we as Senior Citizens do not get, once we >> are retired. Do scientists, professors, doctors, engineers, and even >> priests like Fr. Bismarque of Goa doing civilian services get free or >> subsidized alcohol, free medical Hospital treatment, free housing in >> defense colonies, once we are kick out? We have to fend for ourselves and >> many of you do not care to recognize our services. Civilians have lost >> their arms, their eyes, their legs, and I particularly quote about my own >> wife who worked on pollution and detecting mercury poisoning in laboratory >> analyzing on polluted waters in Goa . She worked in Chemistry department >> also as scientist in NIO, and only I have to look after her on her >> paralytic conditions, people have lost their lives on field visits during >> research survey projects. Many professors have been disfigured by chemical >> explosion while conducting research activities. It is not a case, few >> soldiers suffering tragedy; it is hundreds of scientists, who suffer >> unrecognized. They get no medal, so they cannot burn them even if they wish >> to and insult the country,. Our dear Fr. Bismarque did more than a soldier >> for Goa and the country, but sadly let alone India even Goans will not >> celebrate his martyrdom and he will like other civilian martyrs will be >> left unrecognized. Do we recognize the contribution of Prof Dabodkar, Prof >> Kalburgi, Prof Pansari, and our NIO ex-Director Dr S.Z. Qasim, who laid >> down their lives for achieving a rational, enlightens India ? >> It is high time that you take out your focus from military men and also >> give due recognition to scientific community and others who are victims in >> the cause of development of the country. If India has gone to Mars, if >> India has gone to Antartica, and if India has come up in the green, white, >> blue and pink revolution it is the hard work of these non glorified men, >> called scientists, professors, engineers, and priests etc. >> So, it is high time that the defense forces are shown their true place >> and they occupy their own niche, why make people of Panjim suffer when >> these armed forces from Panjim has huge tracks of land in Bambolim, Merces, >> Nerul, Vasco, Dabolim, Navelim, etc etc; we in Panjim are suffering acutely >> due to parking problem, garbage, casino menace, and also now military >> intrusion. And you unwittingly support them. Get out of your shell dear >> Panjim M.L.A and please support. >> >> Stephen Dias >> Senior Citizen and Panjimites >> >> >> >> >