Hi Bhandare This is getting interesting. The answers to your questions first.
Do you believe that a person can be a member of the Bajrang Dal or Shiv Sena, attend its programs, contribute money to its coffers and yet claim to be secular liberal and progressive? With all the respect in the world, this is a CRAP question. If you are secular, liberal and progressive; you will know better. Would his explanation that I am trying to reform the organization from within be acceptable? Its not possible for a person to reform another chap, leave alone an organization. I suggest we all work at reforming ourselves which is pretty tough in itself. And leave the others alone. Dude, no one is infallible. You are not, and neither am i. Nor is any organization infallible. If someone claims to be infallible, just agree with him/her. It will save you a lot of time and effort. Get this thing out of your head that people (by themselves or in organizations) cannot make mistakes. If you have an issue with the Catholic Church protecting paedophiles, is there anything you and I can do about it? Can we reverse 9/11? Can we reverse the Graham Staines murder? Can we reverse the Inquisition? Everyone tries to prevent the skeletons from tumbling out. I am not too sure where this is getting but dont you think its time we discuss the way out? We have debated the past, the atrocities, the persecution and the oppression and lets face it - we all have skeletons in our closet. My question to you and all - Do u think we need to do something markedly different from what has been done in the past? In the past, oppression of the other meant victory to me. The past is like a dead body that is being continually shot at, mocked, reviled, caressed, resuscitated or whatever. Alas, nothing happens. I tell you what - Lets dispose it off. And think of the future and the way out. Cheers, Jason P.S. - Lastly, to all the dudes and dudettes who so willingly defend the cause of their brethren and are willing to become e-martyrs and then re-appear on Goanet with a different identity and a different IP, dont get so worked up on Goanet postings. Relax, take a chill pill. Laugh. You are not going to change the world. No matter how smart you are, you are not getting out of this world alive. --- Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Venatius: > > Let me explain myself one more time. > > I believe: > > 1.lay catholics in general are not responsible for > the > sex abuse in the RC Church. Mnay of them are very > disheartened for having been taken for a ride. > > 2. Overwhelming majority of priests are good > people,a > large number of then have even been falsely accused > in > the past and hence are victims themselves. > > 3.The main issue is not pedophilia here, afterall it > is present in all cultures and in many organizations > (even ISKCON was involved in the 1970s i believe) > > 4. The issue here is that the Pope tried to cover up > the scandal, hampered law enforcemnt efforts byb > threatening subordinates with excommunication if > they > co-operated, and did nothing to stop the abuse which > we now know has been going on for decades.The > offending priests were merely shifted from parish to > parish thereby enabling them to molest more kids. > > 5. In a country where people are prosecuted for > turning up at a decoys house after engaging in > explict > chatting online and their names probably entered in > a > sex offender list (NBC Dateline- catch a predator) > we > are seing how cardinals like mahony and Law got scot > free after using money to buy off justice.They > should > have been arrested and their names entered in a sex > offender database. > The churches proclivity to settle such cases also > raises questions about what the church has to > hide..are there more sordid skeletons in the > proverbial cupboard? > > > 6.You comparison with sati and child marriage is > unfair because I am not holding catholics > collectivelyresponsible for the sins of a few. > Similarly all hindus cant be held responsible for > sati, all mulsims shouldnt be held responsible for > al > qaeda activities and neither are all brahmins > responsible for dalit persecution > > 7. Catholics who continue to pay money voluntarily > to > an organization that has now beyond any doubt used > that money to protect pedophiles from law, are as > much > responsible for it as those who sponsor say other > organizations like KKK or bajrang dal or al qaeda or > LTTE One cant claim to be humnaist and secular if > one > donates money to organizations whose actions have > been > proved to be detrimrntal to society. > > Finally I would ask you a question myself: > > Do you believe that a person can be a member of the > Bajrang Dal or Shiv Sena, attend its programs, > contribute money to its coffers and yet claim to be > secular liberal and progressive? Would his > explanation > that I am trying to reform the organization fromw > within be acceptable? > > > Regards > > Bhandare > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
