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WHEN: December 27, 2007 @ 4:30pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-December/066098.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu Dec 13 15:16:51 PST 2007 >From Carvalho elisabeth_car at yahoo.com > In order to help Mario with his task of getting Bhandare to acknowledge the persecution of Dalits by the Brahmins and the so-called "Brahmanism" propagated by the RSS, I include here a video clip. At the end of the video clip, there is a petition to the ban the RSS in India. > Mario responds: > Selmabai, > After saying that you had written your last post on the caste system, I see you have re-entered the lion's den. Welcome back. What would we do without you to illustrate what we face as caste-abolitionists? > It looks like you have caught the proverbial bull by the tail and are confusing the RSS with Brahminism. > I grew up where the Hindu Mahasabha and RSS reign supreme, and know them at first hand perhaps better than anyone else on Goanet. > The RSS is an organization of Hindu nationalists who consider themselves super-patriots, and have long advocated for an abolition of the caste system. Non-Hindu-patriotic-Indians and those who respect Hindus and do not try to convert mainly low-caste Hindus by coercion and financial incentives have few problems with the RSS. The RSS, contrary to your calumny, has advocated for an abolition of the caste system for quite some time now as the following links show: > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh > www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1507163/posts > www.sas.upenn.edu/~dludden/RSS%20Public%20Diplomacy.htm > In the YouTube video you have posted, which is mostly about Dalits in India and how they are downtrodden, you obviously are quoting ignorant opponents of the RSS who are also misrepresenting the RSS as being synonymous with upper-caste Hindus. > BTW, if you believed your own video, you would be siding with us caste-abolitionists and not with the caste-apologists. > Selma wrote: > In order for this mission to be complete, I hope Mario can tell us that he signed that petition and got Bhandare to sign it as well. > Mario responds: > As anyone who understands my posts on Goanet can plainly see I have been one of the most vehement petitioners against the caste system, even while you and some others play games with it, now failing to do your homework and misrepresenting the RSS as caste-supporters. > Regarding Bhandare, described by Selma as an RSS "spokesman", here is what he has said about caste: > "the caste system is different and evil because it condemned a person to a miserable existence based on his birth." > In another post, responding to RKN, Bhandare, the alleged RSS "spokesman", referred to Narendra Modi's track record as "deplorable". > Now, if Bhandare is really an RSS "spokesman", his comments would reflect the RSS's rejection of caste as the three links above show. > By contrast, here is what Selma has said about caste, > "This caste thing is a lot more complicated than we imagine it to be, and the depths of its complexity are only being unraveled now that we have loosened its clutches. However, we mustn't fall into the trap of examining it with 21st century sensibilities. > Personally I feel Goa has come a long way and caste today is relegated to the matrimonial ads." > To summarize, the alleged RSS "spokesman" has called caste "evil" and Modi's actions "deplorable". > On the other hand, Selma, a "spokesperson" for the agnostic-supremacists, who is demanding that the RSS "spokesman" be denounced, calls it "complicated" and only "relegated to the matrimonial ads." and examining it today is "falling into a trap". > Clearly by their own words, Bhandare is against caste. Selma's position? No one really knows! > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spread the Christmas Cheer, even when you're not here! Send classic greetings to your loved ones in Goa. EXPRESSIONS - 2007 Christmas Hamper Visit http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Or e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------