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Mario Miranda Festival, July 24-26, 2008 Old GMC Building http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/077732.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:32:31 +0530 From: "Tony de Sa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Now which bus, even a Goa Darshan Bus, would leave the well surfaced Aldona - Mapusa Road and venture into such a road for a probable glimpse of C. J. > Mario responds: > Tony, where do you get such fatuous ideas? If what you describe about the location of Celina's new house is accurate, which I'm sure it is, perhaps she bought such a property because she DOESN'T want to be ogled by the sweaty riff raff from Moira and elsewhere. > Tony wrote: > CJ hardly exists in the mental map of the vast majority of the locals who frankly speaking just don't give two hoots whether she is a budding actress or a plain nautch girl. The imagined obssession for her merely exists in your mind and that of VICKY LALWANI'S or CJ's PR man. > Mario asks: > If the locals, who include you, didn't give two hoots about Celina, why are we having this conversation? > I am simply defending her right to improve the quality of Moira and of Moidekars:-)) > Tony wrote: > But then as I said earlier, Mario dear, you digress. You are nitpicking (go on say it, "I am name calling, branding, labelling......'') > Mario responds: > OK. I will say it since you insist, "You are name calling, branding, labelling people by calling them black sheep for selling their properties." There, I hope you feel better. > Tony wrote: > It appears that you want a slang fest based on words and not the meaning of sentences, > Mario responds: > I am having a civil discussion. All the slangs, name calling and subtle insults have come from you, so far. > Tony wrote: > I am not complaining or whining. That I am complaining stems from your own imagination. I am merely stating the obvious. And if others are benefiting from this boom, good luck to them and you also. > Mario responds: > The definition of complaining is: > 1 : to express grief, pain, or discontent > 2 : to make a formal accusation or charge > Based on all your comments in this discussion, I think I am safe in saying you are complaining, even if you are stating the obvious, that a celebrity is buying a big old house in Moira. What you are not stating are all the benefits that this will bring. > Tony wrote: > Arre Baba, do you read the local newspapers? How many other fraudulent developments in Goa have survived without coming to a screeching or screaming or howling halt? > Mario responds: > If so, it is because locals like you waste their time complaining instead of electing honest politicians and holding them accountable. > Tony wrote: > Please read the text of my original statement carefully. > My Original Statement: (#911) While the family or the blacksheep of the family who sold the house may have benefitted...... > Now, come, come! You call this a sweeping generalization? Get to basics mon cher. > Mario responds: > On re-consideration, yes, it is still a sweeping generalization, and uncalled for. > People who sell their properties cannot be called black sheep unless thay have done something wrong. > Tony wrote: > A excellent piece of name dropping to cloud issues. > Mario responds: > Thank you. But most objective observers saw this for the brilliant strategy it was to ensure honest and first class service from my lawyer in Goa. > Tony wrote: > Aaaah, this is what your much vaunted economic opportunity does to people. > Mario responds: > Whether it does or not, my strategy ensured that I would get excellent legal service. One has to have common sense and devise clever checks and balances in any business transaction. Then one has no reason to complain and whine. > Tony wrote: > So don't shoot off if you don't know what you are talking about. > Mario responds: > I did not say anything about any wall until you complained about it. > Tony wrote: > You were the one who suggested that Celina Jaitley could make vital calls to help Moira. > Mario responds: > Why haven't you sent me her phone number? Instead you send me some website. If the website is any good and provides her number, I will be glad to call her, since the local Moidekars seem too scared to do so. > Tony wrote: > Whether or not the residents of Moira even want at all to come within her social reach or ambit is highly debatable. > Mario responds: > First you must try and come within the social reach of other Goans:-)) Then you can try and match Ms. Jaitley:-)) What is not debatable is that you need help from an American Goan who has no connection with Moira to ask her for a favor, while you whine and complain that she has decided to upgrade your village. I hope all this assistance doesn't make me a Moidekar:-)) My ancestors chose a much more grandiose image for our village, "Savior of the World"!!! No one can top such a magnificent name. > Tony wrote: > Intimidation and bribery are the tools of despicable louts. > Mario asks: > Who said anything about intimidation? Just sit on your cricket bats and have a nice friendly chat with your Sarpanch. Do I have to explain EVERYTHING you need to do? > Tony wrote: > Hello, hello, you've got the problem part all scrambled up as all NRI Goans. When was the last time you voted in India if you have a vote? How many honest politicians in India have you elected? > Mario responds: > I vote for honest politicians where I live. Why can't you do the same? In addition to communicating with Ms. Jaitley on your behalf, now you want me to help you vote as well? I hope all Moidekars don't think like you do:-)) > Tony wrote: > I don't need your suggestions to see your friend Floriano as I know his capabilities (birds of a feather flock together?). He was my class mate. > Mario responds: > In that case, why haven't you helped to elect Floriano and others who are honest like him? BTW, please tell him I hope he gets the contract to refurbish Celina's new house. > Tony wrote: > What are you some sort neo Dale Carnegie? Think positive, do positive, preach positive. > Mario responds: > Yes. You should always think positive, do positive, preach positive. No one cares if you don't. Besides it's a waste of time. There's too much to do in this world, and so little time to do it in. > Tony wrote: > What support, what sense? Who you? > Mario responds: > Yes, me. Who is the one who is going to communicate with your new upper social class villager? Me. Who had to explain to you how beneficial each and every purchase of such a property in Goa benefits so may people? Me. > Tony wrote: > So you are being selective now are you? > Mario responds: > I was not the one to select Celina Jaitley for discussion. It was you. > Tony wrote: > You and Celina can keep yourselves to your own self imposed ghettos. > Mario responds: > I thought you said the ghettos are outside our walls:-)) We are only forced to build walls because of the hostility of locals like you who sit around and complain and whine instead of welcoming quality individuals whose investments benefit all of Goa. Thank God, other locals like Cecil and others understand how we support and benefit Goa. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- **** http://www.GOANET.org **** --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tri Continental Film Festival 2008 July 25 - 30, 2008 Goa, India http://www.moviesgoa.org/page/tri_continental/ http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricon/schedule_2008.pdf ---------------------------------------------------------------------------