From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
**In the case of Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano, how can
you perform this "scientific procedure"?
So after all this talk about using a scientific procedure to certify
miracles, we have a concession that such a procedure cannot be performed
in this case.
***This procedure is not the only one. Physicians have used another
scientific method, as I have mentioned by quoting their news. This method is
valid in this case.
--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
***I would be for a natural effect of placebo. But is it a "placebo
>effect" in those cases which have been documented after long and intense
>research by the International Medical Panel?
As far as science is concerned, the panel has clearly never done anything
to rule
out simple explanations such as the placebo effect and spontaneous
remissions.
***Do those scientists agree with you?
An embarrassing example from the 60's makes this amply clear.
On the recommendation of the people voting for the majority in the
international medical panel meeting, a woman with a condition called
Budd-Chiari syndrome was certified to have been miraculously cured from
that disease in 1963. A few years later, as expected, the miracle ended
like all other such hoaxes. The "miraculously cured" woman died from the
same disease.
***This case is not found in the dossier of 68 miracles. Where did you find
it? Are all miracles "such hoaxes"? Or do you accept exceptions?
As one Vatican official now concedes:
"What seems like a miracle now may not be one in a hundred years. Such are
the advances of science. Declarations of miracles are not infallible
teachings".
***Who has said this? Advances of science have a limit. Miracles are signs
of God's love. They confirm our faith.They are based on prudence and human
faith.
Can all the miracles from hundred years ago be declared as feasible today
through modern medicine?
Do you accept that there are infallible teachings of the Church? What is the
foundation of these teachings?
The Church teaches the possibility of miracles.
Christianity is a historical religion, and therefore accepts God's action in
history.
If there is any doubt about the futility of this miracle-mongering
nonsense, the above candid admission should dispel it.
***Does it do away with the faith of the Church in miracles? Most of us do
not experience such miracles. Yet we believe because of the evidence that is
offered to us. Are all those who believe in miracles credulous and ignorant?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
