In response to: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:16:34 +0530 (IST) From: Laluram Salvi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Build up Zero Chances within Zero Tolerance
What can I say Wow, Wow, Wow, Laluram, finally managed to get you out into the open, after all !!! Good of you to respond so we can have a heart to heart talk which people should do and sort out differences. First and foremost please prove that any one has in fact abused Hinduism on this forum. Don't be "cock eyed" there is a difference when you call a goat a goat, and a bigot a bigot. It is you who started posting venom on this forum against Christians and Muslims and not visa versa. Acts of violence will definitely be condemned and must be condemned, that does not mean we are anti Hindus or against Hinduism. We have in no way been Hindu bashers or cudgel against them. What we all speak about are the uncalled for atrocities committed by the RSS and The Bagrangal. If you think RSS and Bagrangdal "are" Hinduism, you are a lost cause to Hinduism and to the secular fabric of this Country and it's amply clear what your are what your are not !!!! Your support for violence, by stating that violence is natural instincts of modern society, you definitely proved me right about the stone age era and you surely don't belong to the 21st century social society. With your statement that what happened in Orissa and Karnataka was right to self defense, you surely misunderstood the meaning of self defence, attack is the best form of defense would have sounded better. I am in no way condoning the act's of violence of other groups, like I said I am against any form of violence, if you have read my response to your earlier post I have condemned forced conversions if there were any and also the killing of the VHP leader. The guilty should be definitely be punished, that's the difference between my thinking and yours. Don't you blame the desecration of temples on Christians to justify the actions else where and for your kind information Christians do not follow Marxist ideas and are not mercenaries like the RSS and the Bagrangdal who only believe in violence, btw which Hindu monks are you talking about ? Your question about anti national activity of the VHP, RSS and Bagrangdal has a very straight forward and a stare in the face answer. What is communal violence called ? What is the spread of hatred and instigation of violence called ? Aren't they as bad as bombings themselves. Do these actions, not affect the integrity and unity of India, isn't that anti national ? And you have the audacity to ask ? It's plain and clear as water that the issue of forced conversions was a valiant effort by the RSS and the Bagrangdal to justify their actions which are nothing but pack of utter lies. Tell me one thing, the people, who were supposed to be forcefully converted to Christianity, why did the RSS and Bagrangdal had to use force to reconvert them the Hinduism, if they were forced into Christianity then wouldn't they willfully reconvert themselves to Hindusim ? Food for thought isn't it ? It's your folly to compare the Christian Missionaries to the like of SIMI, terrorism is terrorism, that's what I have been saying all along whether it's Christians or Muslims or the Hindu right wing radicals, terrorism should not be condoned but condemned by one and all. Why do you fail to accept the fact that the good work that the Christian Missionaries have done and are still doing is humanitarian. Do you actually know how many Hindus come out alive and educated through the thousands of hospitals, schools, colleges and other institutions run by these Missionaries and still follow Hinduism ? I am sure I will not be wrong if I say, that all this Missionary work has benefited the Hindu's more than the Christians, very simple reason, the vast population of the Hindus to the miniscule Christians which in fact has lessened over the years for your kind information, if there were forced conversions, it should have increased. From your attitude I can safely say, that you are more embarrassed that the Christian Missionaries are doing, lot more humanitarian work than your radical groups. We have always lived in ambience with society and with respect for culture and without abusing Hindu culture or concept of Hindu God. Pastors Vinod Karsal and Sekhar Kashav, were they found guilty ? If guilty they should have been punished. That's how I think !!! You again forget to accept the fact that, apart from the Christian Missionaries, very little has been done for the rural poor and the illiterate and you are absolutely right when you say food is their religion, so do you think the Missionaries dangle food before them and say, "here, become Christian only then you can eat" Is that what you want all us to believe. Come of age man, if people show gratitude for the health, education and other essential benefits received, so be it and if you or your radical groups can replicate those actions and convert Christians to Hinduism so be it too and then they will not be easy prey for the Missionaries, will they ??? You are again showing your ignorance, thinking the Government cannot help the poor and the illiterate, they use their funds for the wrong purpose and the radical groups use their funds to build armies for acts and violence and not for humanitarian purpose, thank God that at least the Missionaries are looking after the poor and taking care of their needs or what would have been their fate ? Or don't you want to accept reality ? For you they might seem to be remunerations, for the poor, the hungry and the illiterate, it's redemption. With your reference to Pitrim Sorokin, a Harvard sociologist, I again ask you are you from the 21st century civilized world or from the stone age ear ? Were not the Kings conquering other kingdoms even before the Muslim rulers invaded India ? Were not the kings and their administrators getting drunk ? Was prostitution, the oldest profession, not prevalent in those days ? You seriously believe alcohol and venereal diseases did not exist, before the Missionaries set foot in India, how naïve can you be ? The problems, that happened during "partition". Would you be kind enough to tell me as to why partition actually happen ? It was surely not because of any religious afflictions but purely political dreams and aspirations of two people's of becoming the first PM of free India, if at all somebody has to be blamed for the carnage that followed it's those two people and not any religious groups and Mahatma was the only one who could stop this divide. We all know what happened and it was made clear that the RSS did not want a peaceful solution to the problem, violence is not the means to the end and killing of the Mahatma has to be condemned, for whatever possible reason it may have been. And now we have a familiar scenario where in, another personality is trying to shatter the secularism and unity of democratic India because of his dream of becoming PM. Since when are the RSS, VHP and the Bagrangdal a law unto themselves and who has given them the authority to be the judge, the jury and the executioner, in this 21st century of democratic society ? Violence in the name of religion, race and color or your ideologies, is not what humanity needs today but the essence of peace, justice, equality and brotherhood which is the need of the hour Freddy Agnelo Fernandes -------------------------------------------------------- The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. 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