Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:14:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Xanno Moidecar <xanno_moide...@yahoo.co.uk>
The reason I've reiterated it is because in all the heat and hullabaloo we seem to forget that our beliefs, all our beliefs, held with fervour and faith and inspired by religion or rationality, makes us lose sight of the others point of view. I will not judge, in this posting, either camp. I will however, use this opportunity to condemn, any extremist school of thought that prompts violence and unnecessary vitriol. In fairness to both camps, abortions not compelled by extremely unusual circumstances should not be available in state sponsored health services. Mario asks: There is no question that "human life" begins at conception, regardless of whether one is religious or not, but "human beings" and "human persons" begin sometime thereafter based on the latest scientific and legal definitions accepted by most rational people. Where a medical choice has to be made between the life of the fetus and the life of the mother, the parents have a difficult decision to make. Had I been faced with such a decision I would have decided in favor of the mother simply because her life is developed and far more valuable than the nascent life that is a threat to her life. However, there is the issue of thousands of EXCESS embryos created by in-vitro fertilization by parents who cannot conceive naturally. These are lying in medical labs all over the place and have no conceivable use. They are kept frozen, they constitute human life and would evolve into a human being if placed in a woman's womb. The choices for these embryos are a) keep them frozen till hell freezes over, b) use them for embryonic stem cell research which would end these lives, or c) flush them which would end these lives. The Catholic Church has washed its hands off these by banning artificial fertilization and insemination. So, given the real life existence of thousands of these frozen embryos, what would the Xanno Moidekar and other anti-abortion Catholics do with these? Currently some of these embryos are being used for embryonic stem cell research with the permission of those who conceived them. Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:53:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynal...@yahoo.ca> I live in Canada. This is the place, in my mind, that comes closest to heaven on earth. The state spends an absolute minimum on sustaining an armed force and instead, concentrates on providing a decent life style for all its residents. Mario observes: I don't know about heaven on earth when a Canadian is unfortunate enough to be one of a million people on a waiting list for surgery, or one of a second million on a waiting list to see a surgeon to get on the first waiting list for surgery, or one of the five million who doesn't have a primary care physician. However, they do have a decent quality of live otherwise, because their national security is underwritten by the USA and those Canadians who want to live can come to the US, where there are no waiting lists, for treatment they cannot get in "heaven on earth". Mervyn wrote: In Canada today, one third of all pregnancies are aborted. If ever you are given the opportunity to watch a video on an?abortion being performed, don't. That video will haunt you for the rest of your life. The foetus' face screams with agony during the procedure. Mario observes: Of course it does, because it is literally being torn limb from limb. Mervyn wrote: Whenever I question medical professionals about abortion, the answer I get is always the same. They claim that once the woman has decided on?an abortion, she is entitled to the best medical professionals available. The alternative would be for the pregnant woman to go down a back alley and find an old lady, dressed in black, with a coat hanger. Mario responds: This is the standard bogus sophistry peddled by pro-abortionists. The sane alternative to an unwanted pregnancy is adoption, not an old lady with a coat hanger in a back alley. I don't know where the back alley fits in because in the heaven on earth that is Canada the old lady would have a state sponsored apartment. Maybe they use a back alley because of all the blood that will be spilled. Mervyn wrote: Given these two choices, I would prefer the woman get state guaranteed services. Mario responds: This would make it safer for the mother, but the fetus is still torn limb from limb. Mervyn writes: If you and me want to stop, or even reverse the tide of abortions, we have to come up with a reasoning/incentive that will encourage the pregnant woman to have her child. And if we are going to be truthful, the biggest?pressure for an abortion today, is an economical one. Mario responds: This is not true. There are numerous Catholic and Protestant organizations today that will help a woman with an unwanted pregnancy have her baby and give it up for adoption, without trying to make them feel guilty. Besides, why hasn't the heaven on earth that is Canada - except fot unwanted babies apparently - set up similar facilities?
