Dear Valmiki I think if you look at Message 10 of Goanet Digest, Vol 8, Issue 700 you will realize that I had apologized for presuming that Tino was not a Goan but my apology was not put on the Digest mode thanks to possibly to a malicious Goanet moderator who I will take the liberty of naming: Frederick Noronha.
Because my post was delayed being posted to the Digest mode, it appears that mud is all over my face. Be that as it may. I will get my just deserts in due time. I don't forget insults like this easily. As for your second point that "None of the 400-odd Commissioned Offrs listed in the book -- including my father -- would fit into Augusto's idea of a Goan!" I don't think you quite understand my point. A very great number of Goan Catholics in pre-Independence times decided to change their status from Portuguese citizen of Goa to Anglo-Indian citizen of British India. Thus Barretto became Barrett; De Sa became D'Sa; Fernandes became Ferns; De Souza became D'Souza or even Delaney and so on and so forth. In this way they were able to claim Anglo-Indian status and further got an opportunity to get into the IAS and British Indian Army and so forth. I don't think your book Patriotism in Action: Goans in India's Defence Services*, Valmiki, sufficiently dwells upon the aspect of the how Goans managed to become upwardly socially mobile (which incidentally, I am not against per se; although what I am against is the humbug of Goans who have availed of such routes to upper-class-hood, today trying to deny their little chicaneries in a holier than thou manner). BTW Valmiki when are you going to come out with that magnum opus on Goan proverbs and idioms? If you need any help from me - let me say that I'd jump on the bandwagon faster than a bass guitarist let alone a drummer and forget a ghumottkar.. Regards Augusto -- `Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 12:03:36 +0530 From: Valmiki Faleiro <valmikigoa...@gmail.com> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Being Goan is a state of mind, more than a mere geographical accident (Tino de Sa) Message-ID: <CAC9Y6cgGJHjVxMqpiR= upgiyWWS1T1y0JNEZsuZ0N9M2h=5...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Our friend, Prof. Augusto Pinto, received an eminently merited rap for -- as he is apt to -- shooting his gun before getting his facts right. A person of Goan origin is a *khaas Goemkar* if he cares for his native soil. Augusto obviously forgets the reasons why Goans by the drove chose to out-migrate, particularly from the 19th Century. On a personal note, however, I am grateful to Augusto that he did not raise this issue when reviewing my book, *Patriotism in Action: Goans in India's Defence Services*. None of the 400-odd Commissioned Offrs listed in the book -- including my father -- would fit into Augusto's idea of a Goan! Goans in Goa could not join the British Indian armed forces until 1947 and India's forces until 1961. I particularly liked the part in Tino's reply retained below. Well said! Best, v ---------- Original message ---------- > From: Goanet Reader <goanetrea...@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:25 AM > Subject: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Being Goan is a state of mind, more than > a mere geographical accident (Tino de Sa) > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> > > > Being Goan is a state of mind, more than a mere geographical accident > > Tino de Sa > > When Goanet carried a report saying "Goan becomes > Chief Secretary of Madhya Pradesh", there was a > counter-view questioning the use of the label > "Goan" for an expat Goan. The poster said: "Why > should we as Goans leap to grab credit for the > achievements of people who may have some Goan > ancestry but for all we know have little or no > desire to be identified with Goa, which again for > all we know may be a dampener to their career > prospects." See http://bit.ly/GoanityDebate > Here, Anthony (Tino) de Sa responds, to a debate > that is relevant to Goa's large expat community. > > > > But I think it is as presumptuous to assume that just because > a person is born and brought up outside of Goa, there would > be a lack of pride in his or her roots, as it is erroneous to > assume that every person born and brought up in Goa is > passionate about it. Being Goan is a state of mind more than > a mere geographical accident. > > ### > > Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal Moira, Bardez Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350