Of course generics will make everything harder. We learn harder, we read harder, we think harder, we write harder. I use C++ for more than 10 years. I know the harder. Whether or not experience is improving, life is harder and the language is rotten.
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 4:27:45 AM UTC+8 Alex Besogonov wrote: > Please, stop being so condescending to newcomers and non-professional > developers. Generics as uses by end-users will improve their experience, > not make it harder. > > (And what is this obsession with "classes"? Go has them - structs with > methods are classes). > > On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 1:32:30 AM UTC-8 rickti...@googlemail.com > wrote: > >> My point of view is that Generics should not become part of the Go >> standard library. I appreciate there are use cases where it is very helpful >> to have, but I do not believe that adds value to Go. The real value for Go >> is it's simplicity, avoidance of generics and avoidance of classes. This >> makes the language accessible and approachable to all, which is >> increasingly more valuable. Go appeals to new-comers and experienced >> developers because it is simple, and comfortable. The rate of uptake in >> computing technology is still subject to Moores law, and today we see a new >> type of programmer emerging, the 'citizen developer'. >> >> Go follows time proven computational concepts, it does not follow the >> 'new paradigm' tribes, it's roots are firmly planted in statically typed >> procedural/functional programming techniques, and this maps well to much of >> the literature available. The growth of entry level developers ( aka >> 'citizen developers' ) will be exponential over the next decade, and in >> that landscape it is Go's simplicity that will win the day. >> >> On Monday, 28 December 2020 at 17:35:40 UTC L Godioleskky wrote: >> >>> " If generics gets added to Go, we're opening a very dangerous door, and >>> it will be the downfall of Go because - and Robert Griesemer this is >>> especially addressed to you - what's next then? Seriously, what's next? >>> ... " >>> >>> .. AI, followed by cryto currency and asexual repoduction >>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 5:09:05 AM UTC-5 Martin Hanson wrote: >>> >>>> No polls. It's not a matter of majority rule! >>>> >>>> It's a matter of understanding why generics was left out of Go from the >>>> start, like classes was left out of Go. If we start adding stuff that >>>> the original developers of Go left out by purpose, we're not >>>> understanding the design choices that went into Go, which is exactly >>>> what makes Go unique! >>>> >>>> Go was a major slap in the face to all the hype that has polluted the >>>> programming industry for the past 30-40 years, which is why Go got so >>>> much hate in the beginning from all the hype loving people. >>>> >>>> If you want to add generics to Go, if you want to change how errors are >>>> handled, if you want X, Y or Z feature that Java, C++, or some other >>>> complex language has got, then go use that language! Why are you even >>>> here!? >>>> >>>> The design choices that went into Go was not made randomly, nor were >>>> they made by just anyone. Please understand that the people who >>>> designed Go, and we all know who they are, had/has tons of experience >>>> and the pragmatic approach they took is what make Go stand out so >>>> beautifully! >>>> >>>> If generics gets added to Go, we're opening a very dangerous door, and >>>> it will be the downfall of Go because - and Robert Griesemer this is >>>> especially addressed to you - what's next then? Seriously, what's next? >>>> Let the community decide by majority!? Is that how we design a >>>> professional programming language now? By majority rule?! NO! The >>>> majority is all about hype and shine. >>>> >>>> Adding generics to Go will rip out the spine of the philosophy of Go >>>> and I for one will not be a part of that. I have more than 30 years of >>>> experience in the business and I fully understand why generics and >>>> classes and all the other clutter was left out of Go. >>>> >>>> If generics gets added to Go, we're a big enough part of the community, >>>> that passionately hate that, that we can manage to fork Go - which I >>>> strongly believe will then be the right thing to do! >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/16ff73cd-516c-4573-bb78-7ef95f69fbc4n%40googlegroups.com.
