Hi, On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:47 AM mortdeus <mortd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The more I look at the proposed generic syntax the more I feel like a > texan fearing the californian relocation to my state. In other words I am > feeling like Go had something awesome and extremely conservative going on > in terms of syntax and because people from other super convoluted languages > are coming over (which their leaving should say a lot about their said > language) and they don't have their one "to die for" feature from their old > language they are expecting us to conform. > You should keep in mind, then, that the generics design is driven by a) one of the original designers of Go and b) one of the first people to join the Go project after those original designers (long before the language was open source). So, if that analogy is apt, then only because Texans appropriated their land from Native Americans and have no right to feel entitled to it. The reality I want to ask is whether any of the designers of the language > actually want this feature to the point that they want to be looking at > said feature all day, every day when they are working on other people's > code, or are they just conforming because so many people are asking for a > feature, and they feel a desire to give the people what they ask for, > without considering the fact that the majority doesn't always consider the > implications of what they ask for? That has been asked a bunch of times by people opposing generics - the last time is was roughly two weeks ago and caused a discussion that spanned 187 messages over two threads https://groups.google.com/g/golang-nuts/c/LEEuJPOg0oo https://groups.google.com/g/golang-nuts/c/bj6kMQBTqUY So, the answer is: Yes. This is a feature wanted by the original designers of Go and there is evidence of that from long before Go was open sourced. > What I mean is to just give us an omnipotent "any" builtin type and to > make those special case functions that get extra attention by the runtime. > > func sort(a, b any){ > if a < b{ > lots of pre defined magic happens > } > If that was a solution to the kind of problems generics solve, we would already be using it. `type any = interface{}` is easy to write. But it's not - it a) doesn't express the constraints that both types have to be the same, b) doesn't express the constraint that this type is the same of the slice passed to Sort (I assume you meant to call your function less) and c) doesn't allow you to express constraints on such types that *aren't* "it can be anything". I think it isn't too much to ask to at least try and understand *what* people want from generics, even if you don't want them. Because trust me, it feels just as bad to have people ruin your language, as it feels to have people pretend to be deaf about what you actually want and repeatedly try to push the same non-solution unto you. The current proposals suck If you think it sucks, try and help to make it better. "It sucks" is not actionable feedback - it doesn't provide any information about what your specific problems are and how we can improve the proposal to work better for you. > The fact that you keep blogging essentially "hey guys were about to put in > generics... are you absolutely sure..... because we aren't and once we do > were kind of stuck with it...?" > This is a blatant misquote. > > The answer is simply biological. > > If you don't want to then don't. But if you do then put it in already. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "golang-nuts" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/6a35c345-1686-4368-a5a8-dcacaa66d717n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/6a35c345-1686-4368-a5a8-dcacaa66d717n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/CAEkBMfF5D9G0M8OL1TQm9orR6%3D_Ear9mMw-3BesTG%3DVYRjt44g%40mail.gmail.com.
