Ala Qumsieh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Adam Spiers writes:
> > Ala Qumsieh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > But, if that is unfair, then what do you say about people 
> > who do a search on
> > > google to try and find algorithms for the holes? I admit to 
> > doing that, as
> > > did some of the aliens amongst us. In my opinion, using the 
> > net to find
> > > solutions is more unfair than writing a program to do the 
> > job, since the
> > > first entails borrowing ideas from other humans.
> > 
> > !!  Are you seriously suggesting that none of the current golfing
> > involves borrowing ideas from other humans?!  
> 
> My first few attempts at cracking the problems don't usually involve
> internet searching. I only resort to that if I get stuck 20 or so strokes
> behind the lead (which happens quite often), and I can't think of any better
> approach to the problem. This doesn't usually help me anyway :) So,  yes,
> there are instances when I don't borrow ideas from other "creatures".
> 
> Then again, you can argue that the way we reason depends upong many factors,
> one of which is the influence of our teachers. So, indirectly, we ARE
> borrowing ideas from other humans, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

Maybe you missed my point, which is that there is a multitude of
well-established golfing tricks which were invented/discovered by many
different golfers, but are in widespread use by all golfers.  This is
direct borrowing of ideas, but to attempt to disallow it would be
insanity.

> Should we ban internet searching? My vote is no. It is true that strategy
> helps in golfing, but we saw from previous courses that most people converge
> to pretty much the same strategy, and the person with the best golfing
> ability (rather than the best strategy) ends up winning the contest. This is
> a Perl "Golf" contest after all.

My vote is a resounding no too.  For one thing, it's impossible to
regulate.  Research is an integral part of the golfing process,
whether it be from the web or from perldoc.

> Which brings me to another question. In order to bring out the "Golf" in
> "Perl Golf", should one of the courses involve a problem with a pre-defined
> strategy that everyone has to follow? This would make everyone on par in
> terms of their approach to the problem, and will highlight each person's
> true golfing expertise.

I don't like this idea.  IMHO "true" golfing is about cunning syntax
*and* getting the right algorithm, not just the former.  Besides, it
would make the holes a lot less interesting.  There's only so much you
can do with cunning syntax.

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