Got a problem with a couple of statements above - 1. [Xavier] Google should be able to look at your code to fix problems that arise.
Why can't they just shut it down? Also, I hope you don't mean fix customer code. 2. [Xavier] As long as they do not tamper with the code I see no problem of them looking at it! We are talking about business customers - just because you see no problem, doesn't mean everyone should be happy to have their code looked at - by all means you could tick a hypothetical box that lets Google look at your code. The key point here is that Google reserving the right to look at code stops business customers putting their code there. As Tim pointed out, if you have a problem with people looking at your code, don't host it on their hardware. Unfortunately, that is exactly the approach that business takes. If Google wants business customers on their platform, then they need to give them confidence in this area, or that is exactly the way they will go. This is paid hosting service, if there is no *need* to look at customer's code, then you shouldn't look at it - just because you would *like* to look at it to improve your service is not a sufficient reason. I see no *need*, so why put up unnecessary barriers to adoption? 3. [Tim] 'the terms the service are made available under is really up to the service provider' I agree that the terms are up to the provider, but they should be clear. Marzia has said one thing (http://groups.google.com/group/ google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/98320071f78b0aab/ 7ca6960f8aa217c5), the terms say another. Google, perhaps you could answer two simple questions a. Do you reserve the right to look at customer code, at your discretion, without notifying the customer? b. Why is stopping a badly behaved app not sufficient? In the end Google can create whatever terms it wants, but there are people out there eager to use App Engine for business apps, and they want some confidence and clarity about the the privacy of their code. Business customers read the terms and conditions, and privacy policy, and right now these say Google can look at your code and use it to improve their service whenever they want and without notifying the customer. Business customers and commercial app vendors don't want this. On Apr 4, 5:48 pm, Xavier Mathews <xavieruni...@gmail.com> wrote: > Laws are diffrent all over. The point is you can't do anything about > your code on Google but take it off! So its your choice! And if you do > take it off Google will still have a copy! > > On 04/04/2009, Tim Hoffman <zutes...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > On Apr 4, 7:20 pm, Portos <ciber...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And your car is on a public road, but it doesn't mean it 's public > >> property, does it? The fact that google offers a hosting / cluster > >> service don't give them authoring rights in any country I know. > > > No, but in Western Australia if I break certain hoon laws the cops can > > confiscate my car for a period, > > and if I perform the same offence several times I will lose it > > permanently, > > > I would have to say the analogy is between google and the police/ > > government not the public. > > > The public have no access to my code on app engine unless I make it > > available. > > > If I where google I would reserve the right to access the code if the > > need arose to ensure the > > service runs correctly, and investigate problems that can arise if > > something in code does > > something strange. The same goes with the cops, they can seize my car > > or lock me up, if I do something > > inappropriate which ensures the roads (in theory ) remain safe ;-) > > > There is an inherent acceptance on my part of the road rules when I > > use the car on the road. > > > You are accepting googles rules when you use their service. (I am > > not saying privacy etc isn't important at all) > > but the terms the service are made available under is really up to the > > service provider (unless it is breaking some other law) and that > > everyone planning to use google or any other cloud type service needs > > to think carefully about whether > > it is appropriate to use it, laws can differ signficantly between > > countries. (I believe these differences are one of the reasons why > > Amazon introduced availability zones in europe, so that the laws there > > can cover the data held in europe rather than us law. > > > T > > -- > "Sent From Sony Slim-Line PSP" > > Xavier A. Mathews > Web-Developer --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
