On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM, neil souza<nr...@foulplaymedia.com> wrote:
>
> hey nick - met you at I/O in may, foulplay media, social gaming and
> all that... still think you should get on facebook ;)
>
> yes, i believe that #3 would be the best solution, let me be more
> specific:
>
> i'm under the impression that the app engine allows you to specify a
> string identifier for a model (key_name) OR allow the datastore to
> issue it's own numeric identifier (id).

That's correct.

>
> what i want to do is set the numeric identifier instead of letting the
> datastore create one. i have a unique 64bit integer that identifies
> the user from the social network, i would like to use that as the
> numeric key if possible (should be faster, avoid casting). can i do
> this?
>
> otherwise, as tmdk mentioned, i could use key_name and stick a letter
> in front of it, like 'L12345' for platform user id 12345.

You can't set the ID directly. Using a prefixed string is your best bet here.

-Nick Johnson

>
>
> On Jul 10, 7:23 am, "Nick Johnson (Google)" <nick.john...@google.com>
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:04 PM, neil souza<nr...@foulplaymedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> > the problem:
>>
>> > how to best structure the id system for a social network app on app
>> > engine.
>>
>> > the run down:
>>
>> > users access the app through a social network. they identify
>> > themselves to the app with a 'platform type id' (pl_type_id, enum) and
>> > 'platform user id' (pl_user_id, 64bit int) pair. examples: user 12345
>> > at facebook, user 45678 at myspace, etc.
>>
>> > we need to be able to find their data using that pair. we also need to
>> > be able to find their friend's data using lists of the same sort of
>> > pairs.
>>
>> > let's say for the sake of simplicity that each user has a User object
>> > in the datastore. we need to be able to efficiently fetch a specific
>> > User object using a (pl_type_id, pl_user_id) pair, and fetch a list of
>> > User objects (up to say 1000) using a list of (pl_type_id, pl_user_id)
>> > pairs.
>>
>> > ideas thus far:
>>
>> > 1.) User has integer properties for pl_user_id and pl_type_id.
>> > resolving one user object is no issue, resolving many requires an 'IN'
>> > query, which is not viable since it makes 1 query for each pair in the
>> > list - NO GOOD
>>
>> > 2.) User objects use key names of the form '<pl_type_id>:<pl_user_id>'
>> > or something similar. then we can form the key from the provided info
>> > and fetch based on keys. we never used to do this because sql sucked
>> > at finding strings - not sure how app engine does..? - BETTER..?
>>
>> This is your best option. Datastore gets are a _lot_ faster than
>> datastore queries, and you can fetch multiple IDs in the same
>> operation.
>>
>> -Nick Johnson
>>
>>
>>
>> > 3.) is there a way to specify the id on a newly created Model? we know
>> > the pl_user_id is unique. we can then have a Model for each network
>> > and build keys from the pl_user_id. this is how we used to roll in the
>> > mysql world. - MAYBE..?
>>
>> > additional ideas and feedback appreciated, thanks in advance.
>>
>> --
>> Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer
>> Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration
>> Number: 368047
> >
>



-- 
Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer
Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration
Number: 368047

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