...except that even with steady traffic, appengine seems to be
restarting some Java apps all the time.  I get a steady 30-60
requests/min and I'm looking at 20 restarts in the last 4 hours.

Jeff

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Gary B <gary.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The App Engine team recently blogged about loading request performance
> in Java:  
> http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/12/request-performance-in-java.html
> If your application has a steady stream of traffic, then loading
> requests are infrequent and should not contribute significantly to the
> cost of running your application.
>
> I also tested loading request times using simple "Hello World"
> applications. Here are the times that I found in App Engine CPU ms:
>
> Python 85
> Java 525
> Clojure 2955
>
> The Java and Clojure applications used precompilation..The source is
> available here: http://github.com/garyburd/app-eng-cold-start-test
>
> On Jan 18, 9:23 pm, Locke <locke2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, I decided to implement "hello world" in the two
>> official, and one unofficial, languages that run on AppEngine. These
>> apps make no use of the datastore or any services. They just print
>> "hello world."
>>
>> The methodology was simply to run the app three times, waiting for
>> about a minute for AppEngine to unload my app between each request.
>>
>> All times are in "wall time." Google typically bills you for "CPU
>> time," which is greater than wall time. The units are seconds.
>>
>> --- jruby + rack:
>>   15.5
>>   18.0
>>   13.8
>>   average: 15.8 seconds
>>
>> --- python + google's "webapp" micro-framework:
>>   0.127
>>   0.170
>>   0.079
>>   average: .0.125 seconds
>>
>> --- java:
>>   0.911
>>   !! canceled after 10 seconds with "Request was aborted after waiting
>> too long to attempt to service your request." !!
>>   2.4
>>   4.2
>>   average: 2.5 seconds not counting the fatal error
>>
>> In all three cases, the apps respond in about one tenth those times if
>> they were already loaded.
>>
>> And yes, Java performance is all over the map! My simple "hello world"
>> java app was killed by AppEngine. It was merely running the template
>> code that came with the java SDK.
>>
>> My test shows that Python on AppEngine is excellent--some of the
>> fastest web app execution I've seen on any host anywhere. AppEngine's
>> Java support, on the other hand, should very much be considered a
>> "preview release" product. When "hello world" is killed by AppEngine
>> for taking too long to respond, you know there are some major problems
>> to work out. Bot both java and jruby, once loaded, run at quite
>> acceptable speeds. Unfortunately, they are reloaded after mere seconds
>> without hits, and those reloads can sporadically end in 500s. Based on
>> these numbers, I would not enable billing or AppEngine Java, nor would
>> I use it for "production" applications at this time. But AppEngine
>> Java hasn't been around nearly as long as the Python version, so
>> perhaps this is understandable.
>>
>> (the java crash error follows)
>>
>> 01-18 08:50PM 42.121 /helloappengine 500 10085ms 0cpu_ms 0kb Mozilla/
>> 5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221
>> Firefox/3.5.7 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe)
>> [myip] - - [18/Jan/2010:20:50:52 -0800] "GET /helloappengine HTTP/1.1"
>> 500 0 - "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7)
>> Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe)" "[myapp]"
>> W 01-18 08:50PM 52.206
>> Request was aborted after waiting too long to attempt to service your
>> request. Most likely, this indicates that you have reached your
>> simultaneous dynamic request limit. This is almost always due to
>> excessively high latency in your app. Please 
>> seehttp://code.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas.htmlfor more details.
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