Thanks for the feedback. You're right that the numbers don't work out for you. We'll have to revisit your needs at some point in the future. Be optimistic that GAE4B is not the be-all-end-all product for enterprise customers - we've stated before that it's just a first step towards having more product offerings that will satisfy customers with different needs.
-- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Maximillian Dornseif <m.dorns...@hudora.de>wrote: > > On Oct 21, 6:48 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" > <ikai.l+gro...@google.com<ikai.l%2bgro...@google.com> > > > wrote: > > The pricing is meant to be extremely competitive against "private cloud" > > offerings by other providers in this space. [...] > > a decent systems administrator certainly wouldn't cost $800. > > I see your point but for my use case it seems more expensive than I > dare to spend. To my understanding pricing will be PER APPLICATION. > > 1) We are big into Mashups. So we created not ONE application for our > business needs but half a dozen mashed up via http. Unless we merge > them GAEfB will be prohibitively expensive. Merging will be > interesting not only because of Open Source (GPLv3 anyone?) > Application parts. It will reduce maintainability and eat up > programmer time. > > 2) We are about 80 People on Google Apps. Upgrading our applications > to GAEfB would cost us an additional 46.000 U$ per year. Since every > Google Apps user would result in additional costs of 576 US per year > we would be forced to police our Google Apps domain and aggressively > remove accounts of alumni, warehouse staff and the like. But I think > its VERY Enterprise 1.0 to begin issuing "who REALLY needs, Internet, > Email, a Computer, a telephone, electrical power" queries. Access to > computing and communication resources should be even available to the > cleaning staff. An (expensive) per user pricing makes this impossible. > Especially because the users which would have their accounts revoked > (warehouse workers, cleaning staff, etc.) are only using marginal > amounts of resources. > > 3) Additional 46.000 U$ per year. We already own servers. We already > manage EC2 and Rackspace servers. And its all to complex and we want > to reduce that. Thats why we like AppEngine. And because in typical > Google style the product is nice but the customer support is barely > existent we would like to pay for better service (and for TLS in our > Domain). But our resource needs are all in all modest. I assume we > could run the dozen Apps we currently run on AppEngine on 10.000 $ of > hardware if we had to buy everything new and want 99 % uptime > (probably even 5000 $ would be enough). If I add the same amount for > networking, power, etc. and amortize it all over tree years. I'm at > around 550 $ for all my Applications and all my users. Factor in > Administration and we are not that far away from the 1000 $ is > demanding max per Month - for a single application. > > To conclude: > > * For the "Enterprise" with hundreds or thousands of users your > pricing is certainly very aggressive. > * For the SME with 50-100 there seems to be a weak spot but still > acceptable. > * For companies which followed best web-development and deployment > practices and have broken down their technology in many separate > applications the pricing model is very unattractive. At least unless > they are very large and profit from the 1000 U$ cap. > * I actually hate per user pricing because usually results in people > which would need to improve their computer skills most not being > provided with access. > > I liked usage based pricing much more. http://bit.ly/cC4MOl > > Regards > > Maximillian Dornseif > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appeng...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
