Another thought: The reason I was doing only one meeting per request was 
because of the old 30 second limit on crons.  But cron handlers can be 10 
minutes now, which is plenty of time to schedule all the meetings.  Therefore, 
I suppose I could do this, right?

    now = datetime.datetime.now()
    for schedule in db.get(db.gql("SELECT __key__ FROM ScheduleModel WHERE next 
!= :1 AND next < :2", None, now)):
      if schedule.next and schedule.next < now:
        schedule.cronAuto()

Is wrapping a GET around a KEYS-ONLY query guaranteed to get me the real-deal 
results (except, of course, for the fact that the index might be out-of-date, 
so I might miss recent changes to who is in/out of the query parameters)?  Is 
this an efficient way to express this, or should I be doing a fetch() on the 
gql first?

It seems like it's possible to use a technique like this to get a 
more-consistent result in cases where that's desirable.  It at least would get 
you a consistent data for a subset of things matching your query.  In 
principle, you could even re-sort the results if there is an ORDER clause.  
Seems like this would be something useful in the db API...

-Joshua

On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Joshua Smith wrote:

> 
> I'm trying to port my existing M/S app to HR because I have a gun to my head 
> with "Threaded Python Only for HR Apps" written on the bullets.
> 
> My system will schedule meetings automatically.  Scheduling a meeting can 
> take some time, because a bunch of records are created, and a bunch of emails 
> need to go out.  So the code to schedule one looked like this:
> 
> class MeetingAutoHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
>  def get(self):
>    schedule = ScheduleModel.gql("WHERE next != :1 AND next < :2", None, 
> datetime.datetime.now()).get()
>    if schedule:
>      schedule.cronAuto()
>      taskqueue.add(url='/admin/meetingAuto', method='GET', countdown=1)
> 
> The query looks for a schedule object that needs a meeting to to be scheduled 
> now.  There might be a few of these when the cron runs.  So it does the hard 
> work for one of them (in cronAuto()), and schedules another call to itself to 
> get the next one using the task queue.
> 
> This isn't going to work in HR because that query is going to keep finding 
> the same meeting.  I could trivially tweak this by setting the countdown=60, 
> but I've yet to hear any of our google overlords commit to a maximum value of 
> when "eventually" happens in "eventually consistent".  I presume there might 
> be cases, like during data center transitions, when "eventually" could be a 
> very long time indeed.  It is essentially unbounded.  Right?
> 
> But I like the pattern I'm using here, and I'm trying to change as little 
> code as possible, so I want to put together a HR-resilient version.  Here's 
> what I came up with:
> 
> class MeetingAutoHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
>  def get(self):
>    now = datetime.datetime.now()
>    for s in db.gql("SELECT __key__ FROM ScheduleModel WHERE next != :1 AND 
> next < :2", None, now):
>      schedule = db.get(s)
>      if schedule.next and schedule.next < now:
>        schedule.cronAuto()
>        taskqueue.add(url='/admin/meetingAuto', method='GET', countdown=5)
>        return
> 
> So I'm doing a keys-only query and then doing a get() on the key.  (I've 
> never done a keys-only GQL query before, but I think I got it right.  Note to 
> google: There should be an option to Model.gql() to do keys-only queries!)
> 
> The way I understand HR, that get is going to get the real Model, which might 
> not meet the criteria in the gql, because the index might be out of date.  
> Right?
> 
> So I check that the model meets the criteria that I just specified.  (Note to 
> google: It'd be cool if there was a way to test an object against a query, so 
> I don't have to write the same code twice!)
> 
> Finally, I pushed the next task out a bit, to make it less likely that I'll 
> have to look at the same objects over and over.
> 
> So what do you think?  Any suggestions?  (I have a couple things that work 
> this way, so I want to choose a good design pattern to apply to each of them.)
> 
> The complexity would be lessened if I could to this:
> 
> class MeetingAutoHandler(webapp.RequestHandler):
>  def get(self):
>    q = ScheduleModel.gql_keys_only("WHERE next != :1 AND next < :2", None,  
> datetime.datetime.now())
>    for s in  q:
>      schedule = db.get(s)
>      if q.matches(schedule):
>        schedule.cronAuto()
>        taskqueue.add(url='/admin/meetingAuto', method='GET', countdown=5)
>        return
> 
> This would require two changes: the db.Model would need to support 
> gql_keys_only (that's probably trivial); GqlQuery would need a matches() 
> method (that's probably not trivial).
> 
> It's still a few more lines, but the complexity is about the same as the old 
> one.
> 
> Worth the trouble of a couple feature request issues?
> 
> -Joshua
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