This is my biggest concern. I don't care about technical problems, I care about shipping high quality products. That was the reason why we picked appengine 2 years ago.
The problem is that the service isn't working well and we can't predict for how long. We need to have any insight on how long this instability will last, so we can play ahead. We have serialized blobs everywhere across our application. We're paying the price for "clever optimizations". I believe it would be less work to move out of appengine rather than moving to HDR. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:27 AM, johnP <j...@thinkwave.com> wrote: > That's you projecting your hopes, that someone is calmly fixing the > problem. > > But one of the attributes of competent leadership is effective > communication. When customers see that effective communication is lacking, > they a symptom of poor leadership. If appengine has poor leadership, this > is an existential threat to everyone who has bet their future on this > platform. > > > > On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:13:03 AM UTC-7, barryhunter wrote: > >> I didnt say there where not problems with HRD. >> >> Just that its expected there will be problems with M/S. Google have >> pretty much said they WONT even try to be fixing them. >> >> Any resources Google have working on the issue, will be fixing it >> (ultimately) within the HRD codebase. They probably wont back-port it to >> M/S. M/S is like a live grenade just waiting to explode, they wont touch >> it. >> >> >> Alas its just in Googles culture to be tight-lipped about upcoming >> changes (and that includes bug fixes) - so as you say we are just all >> running around like headless chickens, while Google hopefully has >> someone calmly sitting there working on the issue (we just dont know about >> it). One day just to push it into production with little fanfare. >> >> Google's timescale on fixing issues, is also almost certainly orders of >> magnitude slower than most people would like. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM, johnP <jo...@thinkwave.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Barry - >>> >>> If you look through this message board and at the issue tracker, you'll >>> see that many people with HRD are also affected by this issue. >>> >>> As often is the case, the big problem is not the crime - it's the >>> cover-up. Everyone here can understand technical issues, if people are >>> working to fix them. The non-response from Google is what's freaking >>> people out. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:31:07 AM UTC-7, barryhunter wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Rafael <mufu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> YES! I'm on the master/slave. >>>>> >>>>> Google putting a message at the top of the appengine site saying that >>>>> it's deprecated isn't an excuse for extreme reduction of performance. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The depreciation pretty much is Google admitting the can't (and/or >>>> won't) fix M/S. They KNOW it's bad, and want you to stop using it. >>>> >>>> M/S is a sinking ship. Google arent allocating much resources to >>>> bailing it out. They've moved on to brighter and better things. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Migrating to HDR will never happen to me. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Then you have pretty much resigned yourself to issues. Why are you >>>> pointing a loaded gun at your own foot? >>>> >>>> >>>> By continuing to use M/S you making yourself and Google look bad. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Google App Engine" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to google-appengi...@**googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.**com. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/google-appengine?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
