Hey Karl, 1. The ambition is that we will eventually make gcloud app run/deploy the preferred way to access App Engine for all customers (Managed VM and regular instances), though as has been pointed out here and elsewhere we have some work to do before we get to that point. When we do get to that point, we'll definitely make sure we're giving folks enough time to move over by supporting both SDKs in parallel for a decent period of time.
In the meantime, I would continue to keep using the stand alone SDKs for the moment when working with non-managed VMs if you want the most stable surface area (for use in integration scripts, etc.). Expect the Cloud SDK equivalents to quickly get better. 2. Yes, it should (and in fact this recent change should make it easier). If you run into problems let us know. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Karl MacMillan <k...@rakkoon.com> wrote: > > > > >> The gcloud preview app deploy and gcloud preview app run commands that >> most developers use within gcloud will continue to work, users should not >> notice any obvious change. >> >> >> You say that most users use the gcloud commands, but I find that very >> hard to believe. All of your docs point to the old tools (e.g., >> https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/gettingstartedpython27/uploading >> and https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/java/tools/uploadinganapp). >> Also your gcloud docs explicitly state that these tools are beta and not >> covered by “any SLA or deprecation policy and may be subject to >> backward-incompatible changes” (https://cloud.google.com/sdk/gcloud-app). >> > > Ah, there might be some confusion here. I was referring to the fact that > most users *of the Google Cloud SDK <https://cloud.google.com/sdk/>*to > interact with GAE are using "gcloud app run/deploy" rather than the > appcfg.py/dev_appserver.py commands. > > However, you're quite right - most users of App Engine right now are not > yet using the Google Cloud SDK at all, but are using the stand-alone App > Engine SDKs <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/downloads>and are using > the appcfg.py/.sh and dev_appserver.py/.sh commands from there. > Fortunately these folks aren't affected by this announcement, this only > applies to those using appcfg.py/.sh and dev_appserver.py/.sh *from the > Google Cloud SDK*. > > Using the stand-alone App Engine SDKs, and the tools therein, is still the > recommended path for interacting with App Engine for anyone not using > Managed VMs. > > > > Ok - this seems to be the core of the confusion then and the handling of > this changes makes a lot more sense to me. Two more questions then: > > 1. Will everything eventually be moved into gcloud or will gcloud only be > the recommended solution for managed VMs? In other words, will the > stand-alone SDK eventually be replaced by the Google Cloud SDK? > > 2. I assume that having both SDKs installed will work fine for those that > need a mix of managed VMs and pure App Engine? > > Thanks - Karl > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/8B50B7DB-FD6E-46D1-9D4B-5DC9756317ED%40rakkoon.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/8B50B7DB-FD6E-46D1-9D4B-5DC9756317ED%40rakkoon.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google Cloud Platform | jes...@google.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/CAEF6f2sPjBP7kRe2XOhyDOsVsnzjgsM66A7DdDvdjdB3fHaqCQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
