Lively debate here. In my opinion the biggest evil is the proliferation of
American style marketing. In England a few decades back, things had to
contain exactly what it says on the tin. Unfortunately, the U.S. advertisers
realised that bullshit rhetoric and dishonesty easily fools morons.
Meanwhile, most English people simply hated this form of advertising.
Unfortunately, nowadays (for most people) it is perfectly acceptable to
offer someone a free holiday and then force them to pay for the flights at
an inflated rate that would easily cover a full package tour for twice the
going rate.
The word 'FREE' should mean exactly what it says on the tin, so that anyone
can go and pick it up. The word 'BUNDLED' would be an acceptable
alternative, or simply 'INCLUDED'. Unfortunately, as software is in digital
form (and thus essentially costs extremely little to proliferate and copy)
there is no intrinsic value - and so all software could be described as
being 'free' whilst making customers pay in some other way. HOw can this be
sorted out?
('.')(",)
On 26 February 2011 17:36, <
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> - Why isn't it yet coded FOR any UNIX-Like
> OS?<#12e618a52376467a_group_thread_0>[10 Updates]
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> Topic: Why isn't it yet coded FOR any UNIX-Like
> OS?<http://groups.google.com/group/google-labs-picasa-for-linux/t/1110436a51466ebc>
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> Stephen <[email protected]> Feb 25 09:39AM -0500
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> Arguably all these examples have a larger user base than Picasa. Picasa
> doesn't seem to have the uptake that say Google Earth or Google-Chrome
> have.
> Not sure why ...
>
> So the effort put into porting doesn't have the same cost benefit is
> the
> argument here that I'm making.
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> Ed <[email protected]> Feb 25 08:48AM -0800
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> Picasa is less popular with the general public for the same reason
> that Windows is more popular than Linux. Every computer comes with a
> "free" operating system (Windows) and every new camera comes with
> "free" photo management software ( Consumers are used to always
> inserting any CD that comes with any purchased hardware) - plus, and
> even easier, Windows includes their "free" product "Windows Photo
> Gallery", with NO installation necessary. John Doe consumer just wants
> the simple or pre-installed solution and doesn't want to bother with
> the hassle of downloading Picassa, even if they have heard of Picassa,
> which most consumers have not heard of.
>
> > Arguably all these examples have a larger user base than Picasa.
> Picasa
> > doesn't seem to have the uptake that say Google Earth or
> Google-Chrome have.
> > Not sure why ...
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
> Patrick Shanahan <[email protected]> Feb 25 11:56AM -0500
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> > > Arguably all these examples have a larger user base than Picasa.
> Picasa
> > > doesn't seem to have the uptake that say Google Earth or
> Google-Chrome have.
> > > Not sure why ...
>
> Ah, "free operating system (Windows)"
> Definitely NOT free
> Debatable "operating system"
>
> "Free photo management software"
> Merely included in the camera purchase price. Try getting it w/o
> purchasing a camera
>
> "Free product 'Windows Photo Gallery'"
> Another product merely included in the *original* purchase price.
>
> Your John Doe consumer just wants to spend money.
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> Edward Comer <[email protected]> Feb 25 01:08PM -0500
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> No, Windows is FREE as far as the consumer is concerned. Joe consumer
> goes
> to the local big-box store and buys a computer. It comes with Windows,
> costs
> the consumer no extra money, time or energy, so to him/her it is the
> same as
> free. For joe consumer obtaining a computer without Windows already
> installed is very difficult and usually costs more (look at Dell's
> Linux
> pricing). All that joe consumer wants is a computer that will do what
> they
> want, namely browse the web, send/receive email and write a very word
> processing documents. They don't care about the OS - they just want to
> use
> the tool. To the consumer Windows IS free because to not have it is
> difficult and, in their mind, certainly not worth it. Remember, the
> vast
> majority of consumers do NOT subscribe to this email list because they
> are
> not like you and me - what comes from the store is their only option or
> at
> least the only option that they care about.
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick Shanahan <[email protected]> Feb 25 01:22PM -0500
> ^<#12e618a52376467a_digest_top>
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>
> > > "Free product 'Windows Photo Gallery'"
> > > Another product merely included in the *original* purchase price.
>
> > > Your John Doe consumer just wants to spend money....
>
> But you are now speaking of *perception*, not reality. When you make
> these generality statements, it is necessary that they be put into
> proper
> context.
>
> There is NO free lunch and windoz is *definitely* NOT free any more
> than
> the tank of gasolene the auto dealer may *give* you when you purchase a
> new automobile. It wasn't free!
>
> It is also a fact that the windoz version *included* in the sale of
> most
> computers is by law a refundable quantity and NOT a condition of
> purchase
> even thou it is not publicized and not explained at sale and *should*
> be
> considered a fraudulent action.
>
> Try using windoz on a new computer w/o agreeing to an unreadable ula.
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> Edward Comer <[email protected]> Feb 25 01:55PM -0500
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> You are splitting hairs. Perception IS reality to the average consumer.
> *
> Nothing* in life is free but many things are perceived as free. The
> original
> topic was "why is Picasa less popular?" The simple answer is that the
> operating system that came with joe consumer's PC already has Microsoft
> photo management installed and most consumers will simply use that - OR
> the
> photo management that came "free" with their camera - again, not really
> free, but they can't get the camera without it so, to the consumer it
> is
> perceived as free. The fact that the cost of the software is bundled
> into
> mass market hardware is not important to the consumer - they just want
> it to
> work with minimal or no effort. Picasa requires (1) that the consumer
> be
> aware of it; (2) that they expend effort in what they consider arcane
> tasks,
> i.e., finding, downloading and installing web resident packages - too
> scary
> for joe consumer - thus Picasa lags in deployment versus
> the aforementioned alternatives.
>
>
>
>
>
> Brian Johnson <[email protected]> Feb 25 03:51PM -0500
> ^<#12e618a52376467a_digest_top>
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> Any opinions here might be taken a little more seriously if we dropped
> the infantile Windoz or attacking Microsoft and their system builders
> OS
> bundling. I suspect Microsoft has covered this with their 73 trade
> attorneys. Sure their software sales
> are aggressive, some say predatory but vendors are not forced to bundle
> Windows, they could bundle with Linux but that has never
> really materialized in any meaningful way.
>
> After years with Windows I find myself using Linux more often, it suits
> me
> fine. My parents bought and it was bundled with Windows and thats good
> for
> them.My sister bought a new notebook and it was bundled with Windows,
> great
> for her.
>
> Until vendors are pressed to offer PC's bundled with Linux, it will
> remain a
> 3rd tier OS (going by numbers). Actually before Linux pre-installed
> it would be nice to see hardware vendors offering more Linux support.
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> Patrick Shanahan <[email protected]> Feb 25 04:55PM -0500
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> > > [email protected].
> > > For more options, visit this group at
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/google-labs-picasa-for-linux?hl=en.
>
> Who really cares whether opinions/facts are taken seriously and is your
> childish attempt at labeling actions any different than a widespread
> recognition of a slang representation of a monopolistic enterprise? Are
> you *really* sure they only have 73 trade attorneys?
>
> Their software sales are not only aggressive, they are repressive and
> criminal. Vendors/builders *are* forced via pricing to use *only*
> windows
> and no other operating system. And *most* hardware vendors are not
> going
> to offer Linux support for the same reason there will be no Linux based
> version of picasa.
>
> ps: Why do you answer questions before they are asked? Is it to be able
> to include more quoted text?
>
> Will you graduate High School soon?
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> Brian Johnson <[email protected]> Feb 25 08:51PM -0500
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> Wow. Way to bitter for me. I cower back to my shell, licking my wounds
> and
> healing a crushed soul.
>
> To paraphrase and truncate Tzu (Lao not Lieh) "accept
> disgrace willingly, accept being unimportant, humbly surrender"
>
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> Stephen <[email protected]> Feb 26 12:41AM -0500
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> Actually one has to compare apples to apples. Picasa's competition is
> other
> online photo album sites <ie> Flickr.
>
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