Indeed.

It seems that bumping up Java is desirable or tolerable.

However, we cannot compromise with losing Jetty.

On Tuesday, 13 April 2021 at 20:01:43 UTC+1 [email protected] wrote:

> I should've been more explicit. The feature of having a self-contained app 
> server for pure gwt frontend development (for dev purposes). My 
> understanding is that it's a choice of bumping up Java version or losing 
> Jetty. 
>
> On Tue., Apr. 13, 2021, 12:04 Thomas Broyer, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Which features are you talking about? Which would you lose by switching 
>> to using a *real* Jetty server alongside GWT CodeServer?
>>
>> Le mar. 13 avr. 2021 à 20:01, Richi Plana <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>
>>> As a user and non-contributor, I would vote for bumping up versions 
>>> (Java 7 to 8, Jetty to 9.4). The move to Java 8 is something I would have 
>>> to do if I had any Java 7 projects left. And Jetty has lots of used 
>>> features that I'm not hearing proposals for replacement for.
>>> On 2021-04-11 9:15 a.m., Jens wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, 
>>>
>>> we all know the issue: DevMode bundles Jetty and people are using it 
>>> even though we do not recommend it. Consequently people are complaining 
>>> that bundled Jetty is too old. So every once in a while we upgrade it.
>>>
>>> Currently with GWT 2.9.0 the situation is:
>>> - GWT SDK is compiled to Java 7 byte code
>>> - GWT Compiler requires ASM 7.x to support Java 11
>>> - DevMode bundles Jetty 9.2 which uses ASM 5.x
>>> - gwt-dev.jar can only bundle a single Jetty, since we do not relocate 
>>> it. However there is already a question asking for Jakarta Servlet support, 
>>> e.g. Jetty 11 / Tomcat 10.
>>>
>>> Currently the ASM version misalignment between Jetty 9.2 and GWT 
>>> compiler causes classpath issues. This could be fixed by upgrading to Jetty 
>>> 9.4 and consequently compiling GWT SDK to Java 8 byte code as that is a 
>>> requirement for Jetty 9.4.
>>>
>>> However given the new Jakarta namespace and first questions about 
>>> supporting it, I am wondering if it wouldn't be wiser to remove embedded 
>>> Jetty from DevMode now, invest some work to make GWT-RPC and RequestFactory 
>>> useable with old javax.servlet and new jakarta.servlet namespaces and 
>>> finally cut a 2.10 or 3.0 release given the removal of embedded Jetty.
>>>
>>> Personally I would strongly vote for removal because GWT nowadays is in 
>>> maintenance mode with only very few changes here and there to support J2CL 
>>> better. Even reviews from contributors are rare these days I guess. Every 
>>> action we take nowadays should take maintenance effort into account and a 
>>> low maintenance effort is obviously preferred. If we upgrade Jetty to 9.4 
>>> we still have that Jakarta issue coming up more often in the future for 
>>> sure.
>>>
>>> Generally this would be a decision made by GWT steering group but I have 
>>> no idea if this group still exists. So I am asking here for a decision how 
>>> to move on.
>>>
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