Would it be too bad to not use embedded container but instead installed 
container <https://codehaus-cargo.github.io/cargo/Installed+Container.html> 
with Cargo? They also provide a simple Java API to download and unpack a 
servlet container release archive locally. So DevMode could download and 
install a servlet container in a GWT specific location and then use that. 
The download URL could also be made configurable using a 
gwt-devmode.properties file in the project similar to how the gradlew 
script installs gradle locally if needed.

Cargo documentation explicitly says that embedded containers can quickly 
end up in classloader / JAR hell and have other 
downsides: https://codehaus-cargo.github.io/cargo/Embedded+Container.html

-- J.

[email protected] schrieb am Freitag, 4. April 2025 um 19:20:25 UTC+2:

> I understand.
>
> I am actually loading all Jetty classes using a custom child-first 
> classloader and let everything else be loaded by the parent classloaders 
> chain.
>
> That was expected to be sufficient but apparently it is not, a lot of 
> trickery is still required.
>
> On Friday, 4 April 2025 at 18:12:19 UTC+1 Thomas Broyer wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 6:48 PM [email protected] <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Relatively solved indeed, that's what I expected, which worked for my 
>>> PoC modules.
>>>
>>> The first problem I encountered was loading some application classes 
>>> through the DevMode launcher's classloader and some others from the 
>>> application classloader.
>>> for example: SpringFramework interfaces loaded from the isolated DevMode 
>>> classloader but concrete implementation classes loaded from the application 
>>> classloader, which produced class loading errors.
>>>
>>> I had to start excluding dependencies from the Jetty container's 
>>> WEB-INF/lib folder using a specific technique so that the classes would be 
>>> all loaded from the classloader of DevMode instead, but even that wasn't 
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> The problem got worse when I tried to make use of even more dynamic 
>>> frameworks like SpringSecurity, being unable to prepare the underlying 
>>> component chains, which is where I stopped.
>>>
>>> Overall, it seems that even though the DevMode classloader is isolated, 
>>> a lot of trickery may still be required.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't looked at the code, but in case you were on that path: please 
>> do not try to mimic the current behavior where server-side classes can be 
>> loaded from the classpath. Having a breaking change like this is a great 
>> opportunity to ditch that and just require that server-side classes are 
>> within WEB-INF/classes and WEB-INF/lib. That way, you use the server's 
>> already implemented and battle-tested classloaders respecting the Jakarta 
>> Servlet specs for precedence and isolation.
>> That custom classloader was the main reason Jetty wasn't updated more 
>> often (in addition to changing its API in minor or even patch releases).
>>
>

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