Hi Thomas, Thanks for chiming in and providing the extra info. Good to know.
I'd like to ask, however, the reasons for planning to remove support for IE6/7/8? Why would we do that? It's already there and doesn't require too much maintenance. As of today, nearly 8% of my site's visitors are on IE8 and close to 1% are still on IE7. These are pretty big numbers for a high traffic website, and would translate into lost revenue if the browsers weren't supported. I can't imagine Google pulling support for a browser with that kind of usage for one of its products. . Here's the full data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvMlWdpkpAA6dGdpa3lsZTVQWl9qcFJrWmZCZ0ZZb0E#gid=0 Also, as you guys can see from the data, stack emulation is still required for 54% of my site's traffic. While I'd like to see users upgrading to the latest browsers as much as any developer, let's be realistic: WinXP is not going away any time soon (Microsoft dropping support for it isn't going to make people like my dad go out and buy a new computer). Google Analytics is shows that 80% of my users are on Windows and 21% of those are still on Windows XP: that is a very big number! On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Thomas Broyer <t.bro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:53:47 PM UTC+2, Alex Epshteyn wrote: >> >> Thanks for your comment. Let me respond to your points: >> >> 1) I've seen this point discussed before, and the standard >> counter-argument is that the spirit of OSS is free as in "freedom," not >> "beer." Lots of developers get paid to work on OSS projects. >> >> 2) This is actually one of the reasons I'm thinking about raising funds. >> I am already on the verge of using my patch inside my own GWT-based app, >> but if I get some funding I'd be able to justify taking the extra time to >> make sure the patch will pass the review process. >> > > +1 to those 2 points. > > >> 3) I must point out that your third argument is not in the spirit of >> GWT, which aims to support as many browsers as possible. >> > > That's not entirely true. GWT only ever supported the 4 major browser > engines: Trident (IE), WebKit (SquirrelFish / V8; aka Safari / Chromium), > Gecko (Firefox) and Presto (Opera). > > Jens is right: we'll soon remove support for IE6 and 7, and then for IE8 > (not long after MS drops support for WinXP). > GWT never really "supported" Opera, and the level of support was only > against the latest version. Now that Opera is moving from Presto to > Chromium, that means one less platform to support in the very near future > (by the next GWT release, but we'll probably keep the "opera" permutation > along for one more release). > > As of today, you will not get good stack traces with GWT on any modern >> browser, including WebKit. By "relevant information", I assume you mean >> sourcemaps support. Well, Chrome is the only browser that currently >> supports sourcemaps but GWT's existing support for generating stack traces >> with that information is very buggy, and this is one of the things I'm >> working on improving. I'm also not optimistic that sourcemaps will achieve >> universal support any time soon, if ever. >> > > Chromium has it for a while (hence Chrome –all platforms–, Opera for > Android –though what matters is the remote debugger, not the browser– and > Opera.next), and Firefox is starting to roll it out [1,2] in 23 (currently > Aurora channel) and I'm told the next Safari should have it too [3]. > Will IE ever have it? I believe so, particularly now that MS is pushing > languages that compile to JS (TypeScript, which can generate sourcemaps). > Obviously that would only be available in IE11 (or later), but it seems > like it would be possible to have support in your IDE with the help of an > IE plugin [4] for IE8/9/10 (would it work in Windows 8 though?) > > That said, source maps support in the browser is related to, but different > from stack trace resymbolization. > > [1] > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/05/firefox-developer-tool-features-for-firefox-23/ > [2] > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/05/compiling-to-javascript-and-debugging-with-source-maps/ > [3] > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16446114/is-it-possible-to-enable-javascript-source-maps-in-safari-6 > [4] http://wiki.eclipse.org/JSDT/Debug/IE > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-web-toolkit/hP8cQ7AdDUc/unsubscribe?hl=en > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. 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