A bit off topic, but:  The real value of GWT for me has been the ability to
write browser apps without HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and Java (you know,
spaghetti) - being able to use Java only.  As you start adding HTML and CSS
to GWT apps  (the UI part), I question the whole value of GWT.  In that
case, what is the difference between using GWT with HTML/CSS vs. something
like Angular.js?

I think the big payoff with GWT is the one language and magic integration
between front and back ends.  This is big.  Being able to add HTML/CSS on
one-off, special cases is cool too.  Pushing towards more HTML/CSS is
totally missing the point.  For those of us not "pretty well with HTML +
CSS in general", the appeal of GWT could be lost.

GWT Designer was extremely nice, again, for those of us not "pretty well
with HTML + CSS in general".

Blake



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Jens <jens.nehlme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably the wrong forum since GWT Designer was never managed by the GWT
> team itself at Google. Making it a community project on Github is probably
> the best bet to keep it alive.
>
> Generally I think UI designers can make code unreadable if you don't go
> the extra mile and give all elements a name, otherwise your variables often
> end up button1, button2, button3 in code. You also have to switch often
> between mouse to place components and keyboard to further adjust
> properties. Maybe GWT designer is better at these points but personally I
> always had the feeling I wasn't really slower without a UI designer.
>
> In GWT you mostly use a HTMLPanel as root with normal HTML inside and with
> some other widgets here and there. So an alternative to GWT designer would
> be to just use any HTML editor (or even the browser itself, like Chrome
> workspaces) to create the HTML + CSS part of your UI. Then you copy it into
> your UiBinder file, making the root element a HTMLPanel and replace input
> elements and such with their corresponding GWT widget. Sure you still need
> to write the Java part of your UiBinder file but at least you can create
> the UI design mostly visual in your HTML editing tool of choice.
>
> Personally I never used GWT designer and I am not feeling slow at writing
> UI layouts directly in UiBinder. On the other hand I am pretty well with
> HTML + CSS in general so it might be different if I would not have that
> knowledge.
>
> Maybe you just give raw UiBinder or any other HTML authoring tool a try.
>
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